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Foxer said:
We don't want to hear about your fantasies bones. If you have a crush on sealhunter, send him a pm and some nice flowers. :D

Just lets try to remember the rules in the open forums - it's ok to disagree and disagree passionately, but lets keep the personal stuff to a minimum.
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HEY Foxer:
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Pick and choose the deer you shoot at.Taught to my by a veteran hunter(my pops) who I can count his misses I can remember on one hand.I always thought no deer could get passed him.When I finally asked him some years back what his secret was after many years of wondering why he didnt miss he winked and said,I kill every deer I shoot at,but I dont shoot at every deer I see..If the shot was too iffy for him he said he would let the deer pass by.
I took this to heart,and it has made me a better hunter for doing so.As hard as it is to let a big buck pass by I have done it,and I have no regrets today.A wounded and lost animal is something you will regret the rest of your life(if not you shouldn't be hunting).
I do practice on a running deer target every chance I get which is a big help for getting on target.A running deer gives you a small window of opportunity,so the quicker you can get on it the better chance you have of making a clean shot.When you have second thoughts on taking the shot its better to let the deer run another day.
 
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I have been hunting on & off for about 25 years in Eastern Ontario. I have never taken a shot at a running deer, because I never feel the need too. I have the privilege of hunting a large parcel of private land that has a healthy population of deer. Still hunting is & has always been my favorite method of hunting. The property that I hunt has thick bush & open fields. Calling has been very productive for me during the rut. I find it very satisfying to call a buck up close then harvest it. Would I take a running shot? Maybe if the conditions were good, but like someone else mentioned, most deer will stop running if you make a noise. Sitting quietly close to a deer trail in the early morning or evening is the best way to fill your tag in my hunting area. If I happen to spook a deer, I will just let it go. Most deer will NOT run far after being surprised in the bush. So far I have never lost a deer after shooting it. Most have dropped on the spot, some have run a short distance. 90% of my deer have been taken under 100M, some as close as 10M. I am very confident in my shooting abilities, & practice regularly. IMHO practice with your rifle is paramount to successful hunting.
 
senior said:
pacII: sounds like you have a good system, thanks for the invite, but where are you?? Captonion has a good one too, which I have been invited to, just got to make time :rolleyes:
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Lower coast of B.C. as the Avitar says and Powell River to be exact. A long ways from you but close to lots of others that don't come for a shoot ;)

Mike
 
Well, well, well,....

As I have said and will say again. Never did I say that anyone on this thread could not make however many running shots they claim, with however much ease they claim.

There is a difference in disbelieving and being skeptical.

I am skeptical, and that's just fine. Those of you you can do it, would obviously prove my skepticism wrong.

On the internet especially, anyone can claim anything.

hunting is my sport, and for a long many years a huge part of my families sustinence. When I see claims that I an skeptical about, I'll question and challenge it.

The same as if I claimed a bunch of huge bucks, but never posted a pic.

If I claimed that I quite often hit hole in ones on per three's.
Obviously some golf guy is gonna challenge me.

I guess the one thing that I have not learned (as I know it), but come to appreciate a little more, is that we're not all playing the same golf course, and the opportunity and ability to make hole in ones, all depends on the course you're playing.

Say what you will. I am not trolling. I'm just challenging claims, that in turn gets a rise out of some people, get's a little personal and then seems like trolling.

One more thing, I quickly ran down through the posts and didn't really get to read them all, but...

Is there some guy beatin his bone or something in an armchair while reading my posts ??
What's that about.
and please stop PMing me. For the last F'n time, I'm 6'1" , got blue eyes, and wearing Jeans,
why are you askin me this stuff!! : ) and no I don't have a webcam!
 
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Interesting thread, as usual when BR decides to stick his finger in the wasp's nest.....:p

If you have to take a running shot, I think a .30-06 is a lot better than a .270 for this purpose.

Doug

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Oh and all the better if it is a semi and not a pump gun. :rolleyes:
 
sealhunter said:
Is there some guy beatin his bone or something in an armchair while reading my posts ??
What's that about.
and please stop PMing me. For the last F'n time, I'm 6'1" , got blue eyes, and wearing Jeans,
why are you askin me this stuff!! : ) and no I don't have a webcam!
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oh lookie sealie made a funny now if you only knew how to hunt!
 
Doug said:
Interesting thread, as usual when BR decides to stick his finger in the wasp's nest.....:p

If you have to take a running shot, I think a .30-06 is a lot better than a .270 for this purpose.

Doug

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Oh and all the better if it is a semi and not a pump gun. :rolleyes:
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My thoughts also, besides a semi auto 30-06 worked well on Nazis, and the Emperor of Japans finest during WW2, so a Deer should be no problem. :p :D
 
Ok I'm gonna put in a serious question as I guess things are going astray from what BR intended.

I have to say, that I'm not sure how people take this stuff, but this is the kinda ribbing that is acustom in my group, usually over beers though!


Anyhooo...

I'm assuming that scopes are not very popular in these running shot areas, nor are the high recoil calibres,(for those quick follow up shots on deer that appear for only a couple of seconds) so what do you guys shoot?

I have hunted moose in very very thick brush and have rarely heard of them being shot on the run. Are moose typically on the run as well?

The caribou I have hunted (barren), unless you are pretty sneaky, (which I have been, and not been) often present either a very long shot (standing), or a moderately long shot running. What type of stup would you guys use for a 200 yrd running shot, or would you simply not attempt it?
 
sealhunter said:
The caribou I have hunted (barren), unless you are pretty sneaky, (which I have been, and not been) often present either a very long shot (standing), or a moderately long shot running. What type of stup would you guys use for a 200 yrd running shot, or would you simply not attempt it?
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Any caribou I have shot have just stood there looking while I walked towards them, often to within less than 100yards.

That was the reason I never went after caribou for many years, I didn't think it was "hunting". More like going to the store.

What makes your caribou so jumpy?
 
Doug said:
If you have to take a running shot, I think a .30-06 is a lot better than a .270 for this purpose.

Doug

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Oh and all the better if it is a semi and not a pump gun. :rolleyes:
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In the same vein, which cartridge would be better for a running shot on bear, in a defensive situation?:confused:


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I'm not sure. I think it may be the hunting pressure of the weekend hunt in this particular area. (opening weekend)

The herd is well spread out in the beginning of the year, but then after the first weekend. good luck!

Guys on Quads is what I really blame they drive fast up into the herds and take their animals at the beginning of the year. The caribou then move further inland where the Quads are not permitted, but by then You can't get handy to them.

I have been trouting in other areas wher the season is closed and had them walked past me and just stand on the side of the road.

One time in particular I remember hunting and being hidden behind a huge boulder. My friend stuck up over to steady his rifle. They stared for maybe 3 seconds, and then gone as far as the eye could see
 
OK, guilty as charged. The thread needed some levity. :p

For the lads who are wondering what all this hullabaloo is about with (primarily Ontario) deer hunters and running shots, most of you can relate this to a similar type of scenario, so let's find some commonality.

Most of the Ontario guys here talking about running shots are thinking of the ones they see when the deer are being pushed by dogs (four legged) or doggers (two legged), or busted out of brush by a walking hunter. From my own experience, I would say that most of those deer are moving not as fast as a crossing teal, but about the same speed as an unspooked crossing mallard that is not committing to your dekes. (He maybe slowed down a bit to look over your set, but he ain't gonna commit.) They are not as slow as geese circling to land in your set-up, and their movements are about like trying to keep a track on a flushing ruffed grouse.

Most of the shots are also at "bird hunting" ranges, as in a lot less than 50 yards.

OK see all of my examples are birds that we shoot with scatterguns? A lot of our eastern houndsmen hunt deer with shotguns for the same reason of shot pattern and instinctive carry-through. But most do use rifles, often with open iron sights or peep sights, and they swing that rifle like a wingshooter might do with a scattergun. Most also shoot with both eyes open, whether they know it or not!

A good shot can certainly make much longer shots with a very high degree of success. I hunted with a man called Hank Hermann, now long gone unfortunately, and Hank could kill a deer going full speed through trees with his old plain barrel 12 gauge pump gun and a single bead for a sight, at ranges up to easily 75 or 80 yards, using plain old slugs, nothing fancy. I have seen lots of similar shots over the years, and even got lucky myself a few times. But back to the real point of this thread (other than stirring up ####), the hunter who can make those shots consistently is the one who has a lot of experience and practice with that shootin' iron.

Does that help?

Doug
 
sealhunter said:
Ok I'm gonna put in a serious question as I guess things are going astray from what BR intended.

I have to say, that I'm not sure how people take this stuff, but this is the kinda ribbing that is acustom in my group, usually over beers though!


Anyhooo...

I'm assuming that scopes are not very popular in these running shot areas, nor are the high recoil calibres,(for those quick follow up shots on deer that appear for only a couple of seconds) so what do you guys shoot?

I have hunted moose in very very thick brush and have rarely heard of them being shot on the run. Are moose typically on the run as well?

The caribou I have hunted (barren), unless you are pretty sneaky, (which I have been, and not been) often present either a very long shot (standing), or a moderately long shot running. What type of stup would you guys use for a 200 yrd running shot, or would you simply not attempt it?
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A scope is the only way to make these shots... and it had better be a damn good one! Duplex crosshairs are a must but I prefer windage hash marks on my deer rifles/shotgun scopes. Boone and Crocket Mil-Dot and Varmint Reticles give you an instant measuring device for lead time/distance.
Consider....

How far should you lead a whitetail buck running broadside at 30 mph @ 100 yards.
Time of bullet flight will be just near 100 m/secs or, 1/10th of a sec. || .10 times 44 fps = 4.4 foot lead for a chest hit.

How far should you lead a whitetail buck running broadside at only 15 mph @200 yds?
Average bullet flight time is going to be around one fifth of second or .20 of a sec., [15 mph times 1.467 = rounded off 22 fps] 22 times .20 of a sec= 4.4 foot lead ahead of the heart and lung area on that trophy whitetail buck, that is about to go out of sight and escape if you don't drop him in his tracks.

Here is a site that should help you... read http://www.udarrell.com/leadingrunninggamerifle.html
 
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If you have to take a running shot, I think a .30-06 is a lot better than a .270 for this purpose.

Doug



Oh and all the better if it is a semi and not a pump gun.
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Doug... you're going straight to hell when you die. You know that, right? :D
 
BIGREDD said:
A scope is the only way to make these shots... and it had better be a damn good one! Duplex crosshairs are a must but I prefer windage hash marks on my deer rifles/shotgun scopes. Boone and Crocket Mil-Dot and Varmint Reticles give you an instant measuring device for lead time/distance.
Consider....

How far should you lead a whitetail buck running broadside at 30 mph @ 100 yards.
Time of bullet flight will be just near 100 m/secs or, 1/10th of a sec. || .10 times 44 fps = 4.4 foot lead for a chest hit.

How far should you lead a whitetail buck running broadside at only 15 mph @200 yds?
Average bullet flight time is going to be around one fifth of second or .20 of a sec., [15 mph times 1.467 = rounded off 22 fps] 22 times .20 of a sec= 4.4 foot lead ahead of the heart and lung area on that trophy whitetail buck, that is about to go out of sight and escape if you don't drop him in his tracks.

Here is a site that should help you... read http://www.udarrell.com/leadingrunninggamerifle.html
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The law enforcement people need radar to detect the differences in a vehicle's speed. To be able to do it by eye with an animal is a amazing feat indeed.
 
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