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Same lady who gave me the chunk gun has some others that I may be able to buy and move along, leaving a little on the bone for me, or the potential for me to upgrade my muzzle loader stash.

So here are a few questions to the experts.

What value would you put on these as shooters, what value would you put on these if you were to re-sell with just enough profit to pay for your time. I fully expect that these would not go out the door quickly, so that has to be taken into account, but also want to give her fair value and not get screwed myself.

1. Investarms "44 cal" Kentucky rifle with a conical twist, actually a 45 cal but marked 44 cal.
2. Lyman plains rifle in 45 cal, does not say Lyman on it but this is all I can figure out based on pictures online, made in Italy in 1974, hybrid twist? I have to shoot it to see if it stabilizes Maxi Balls
3. Thompson Center "New Englander" 50 cal, has a short barrel, percussion cap, assumed hybrid twist
4. Reproduction "Brown Bess", I have to verify caliber but a smoothbore flint lock with a reproduction bayonet on it, no makers mark but flash hole drilled and shoots
5. Austin and Halleck bolt action No 11 cap, no 209 conversion, iron sights, 50 cal, 1 in 28in twist I do believe, does not have "weather shroud"

The A&H seems to have mixed reviews but may be worth buying for myself so that my wife and I both have a hunting inline.

Thoughts? I am not normally a flipper but that may be the best option for her.
 
The used market for BP replicas here in Canada is a little different from regular guns in the sense that normally unless it is a sought after gun or one in immaculate condition they don t go for enough money to make a real profit flipping them.If in good condition the best and fastest place to try to sell them would be at a muzzleloading club
 
chasseur said:
The used market for BP replicas here in Canada is a little different from regular guns in the sense that normally unless it is a sought after gun or one in immaculate condition they don t go for enough money to make a real profit flipping them.If in good condition the best and fastest place to try to sell them would be at a muzzleloading club
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Any of these guys online or just shooters through gun clubs?

She wants $500 each but the more I am looking I think that she is going to be waiting a long time for anyone to pay her that for them, even if they are keeping them all themselves, let alone finding a buyer down the road.

What is a fair average to pay her do you think? $300?
 
The bolt action I have no idea.
$500 for one marked T/C or Lyman in good condition is possible but might take some time. The Brown Bess might fetch that too but will be hard to find a buyer unless you know re-enactors.

$300 is about right for something without a makers stamp but good build quality and condition but could be more like $150 if it's a cheap Spanish gun or been abused.
 
vagrantviking said:
The bolt action I have no idea.
$500 for one marked T/C or Lyman in good condition is possible but might take some time. The Brown Bess might fetch that too but will be hard to find a buyer unless you know re-enactors.

$300 is about right for something without a makers stamp but good build quality and condition but could be more like $150 if it's a cheap Spanish gun or been abused.
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Thanks, I told her if it was a Lee Enfield or even a Savage bolt action I would have no problems with a price to buy it but these are definitely not that.

Seeing as though Pedersolis range from $825-2000 new depending on the model really makes my head explode on this, ha ha.

So if I get them for $200-300 each and then sell them over a couple years it would not be a losing proposition but sure as heck not make a lot off them.
 
An unmarked Bess reproduction is likely Indian. The Italian and Japanese repros are marked.
The Indian guns may or may not be OK, but there isn't the demand for them that exists for the others.
Incidentally, apart from the Bess, these are all subject to the new and improved transfer requirements.
 
tiriaq said:
An unmarked Bess reproduction is likely Indian. The Italian and Japanese repros are marked.
The Indian guns may or may not be OK, but there isn't the demand for them that exists for the others.
Incidentally, apart from the Bess, these are all subject to the new and improved transfer requirements.
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I think it may be one of those Heritage firearms ones, that you had to get drilled out yourself. I know it has been shot, a lot, so there is that.

Ya, anything else requires a PAL for sure, and the verification and such.
 
If you were buying them to use if they were in great condition that’s one thing but to make a profit on them it is not worth your time and effort.There is not $2500 worth of guns there

PS The gun that you call a Lyman’s plains is probably an InvestArms hawken style gun.Lyman never made their Great Plains rifle in 45cal.Now if you were in the States you would have an easy time selling them compared to here
 
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Fox said:
I think it may be one of those Heritage firearms ones, that you had to get drilled out yourself. I know it has been shot
Ya, anything else requires a PAL for sure
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I don't know for sure, but I would bet that once the touch hole is drilled in the Indian guns, they are now in unrestricted class. I may be wrong but it makes sense to me.
 
Pete04 said:
I don't know for sure, but I would bet that once the touch hole is drilled in the Indian guns, they are now in unrestricted class. I may be wrong but it makes sense to me.
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The key here is that it is a flint lock, being a percussion cap they would end up as an NR, a flint lock, even made after 1898, is considered the same as an antique.

Flint lock handguns that are reproductions are not antiques though.
 
A functional modern flintlock (matchlock, wheel lock, etc.) longarm has antique status. The Indian guns are shipped unvented because of Indian law.
 
They are not $500.00 a piece guns. The plains rifle, as mentioned, is likely an Investarms. There should be a capital I stamped on the barrel. If a great plains rifle it could bring close to $500.00 depending on condition . Is the New Englander a rifle or shotgun? Shotgun versions are a bit harder to find than the rifled versions but still not worth near $500.00. Hard to say on the Austin & Halleck. I sold one a little over a year ago for $800.00. But it had the fancy factory maple stock as well as the factory synthetic stock. It had a stainless barrel, had the 209 conversion and had only seen a few rounds through it. It was like new.
 
gunsaholic said:
They are not $500.00 a piece guns. The plains rifle, as mentioned, is likely an Investarms. There should be a capital I stamped on the barrel. If a great plains rifle it could bring close to $500.00 depending on condition . Is the New Englander a rifle or shotgun? Shotgun versions are a bit harder to find than the rifled versions but still not worth near $500.00. Hard to say on the Austin & Halleck. I sold one a little over a year ago for $800.00. But it had the fancy factory maple stock as well as the factory synthetic stock. It had a stainless barrel, had the 209 conversion and had only seen a few rounds through it. It was like new.
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The New Englander is a 50 cal rifle

So you are thinking

Kentucky - $250
Plains - $250
TC "New Englander" - $300
Brown Bess - $500?
A & H - Unknown?
 
Fox said:
The key here is that it is a flint lock, being a percussion cap they would end up as an NR, a flint lock, even made after 1898, is considered the same as an antique.

Flint lock handguns that are reproductions are not antiques though.
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Quite right.
I was thinking cap lock.
 
Fox said:
The New Englander is a 50 cal rifle

So you are thinking

Kentucky - $250
Plains - $250
TC "New Englander" - $300
Brown Bess - $500?
A & H - Unknown?
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If as usual, you can expect to be bartered with. So I would start at the following prices and maybe put obo
Kentucky rifle--$450.00
Great Plains Rifle (if that's what it is)--$500.00
New Englander--$400.00
A&H--$550.00
Bess-don't know.
These prices are my opinion. Also don't know the condition and exact models etc. so values could vary.
 
gunsaholic said:
If as usual, you can expect to be bartered with. So I would start at the following prices and maybe put obo
Kentucky rifle--$450.00
Great Plains Rifle (if that's what it is)--$500.00
New Englander--$400.00
A&H--$550.00
Bess-don't know.
These prices are my opinion. Also don't know the condition and exact models etc. so values could vary.
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Ya, the plains rifle is not a great plains, all I can find so far on those are that they were 50 and 54 cal, this is a 45 cal for sure. So probably the investarms pre lyman version? Has the exact patch box as the plains rifle from pictures on google.

So that probably brings down the value more.
 
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