FN 5.7 x 28

There must be some ammo that can be used by civilians... at the very least in the states.

There is a whole forum dedicated to FiveSeven stuff...

There, they have links to the cheapest ammo around... one of the links was from Cabelas.

I am trying to think of places to start looking...

Mopar Guy, do you have a FN FiveSeven pistol?

CK
 
sunray said:
"...ALL ARMOR PIERCING ROUNDS OR AMMO ARE ILLEGAL..." Whoever told you that is confused.
"...you do not need Ap in a rifle because it has the penetration..." AP, in a rifle, is for penetrating light armour plate and modern military body armour.
Not all rifle bullets are made to penetrate either. Varmint bullets, for example, are made to expand rapidly upon impact with little penetration. It's why they're no good for deer hunting in cartridges like the .243, et al. Bullets designed for larger game are made to expand after penetrating.
Some handgun bullets are made to penetrate too. Bullets used, Stateside, for hunting with a handgun are made to penetrate according to the cartidge and game being hunted. None of 'em are AP though.
"...FN Herstal has informed us..." That FN's company policy. It has nothing to do with Canadian law. FN doesn't want to bother with the civilian market. Large government orders only.
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Yes I understand that it is the policy of some company thousands of miles away in a different country. But why, please tell me, is the gov't of Canada denying import permits for it based solely on what FN has said? You're right, it's not Canadian law, so why is the explosives division acting like FN's word is just that, law?
 
So what are you doing for ammo Mopar? I have a FiveSeven on the way...

I am just getting ready to try and find the ammo...

CK
 
I also found this on the FNUSA website...

For Immediate Release:
September 27, 2007

Contacts:


David A. Golladay, Jr.
864.414.2404
dagolladay@bellsouth.net

FNH USA maintains steady pricing and plentiful supply of 5.7x28mm ammunition despite demand

McLean, Va. – A recent Associated Press story stated, because of the War on Terrorism and an increased demand for raw materials such as lead and copper, many police and sheriff’s departments are having difficulty finding an adequate supply of ammunition.

In fact, some departments have resorted to using paint balls for firing drills and reduced time on the range in order to conserve the ammunition they have; but that is not a scenario any range officer welcomes. “Using live rounds in police officer training is essential to feeling comfortable and competent with the use of firearms. It impacts safety in the field and the overall effectiveness of the officer in the community,” said Bucky Mills, director of sales and training at FN and former Prince George’s County, Md. police officer and instructor.

Rick DeMilt, senior vice president of sales and marketing for FNH USA, added, “At one time, it was difficult to find 5.7x28mm ammo. This is why we made a commitment to our law enforcement and sports shooting customers by finding a supplier on American soil (Fiocchi of America, Ozark, Mo.). Because of our relationship with Fiocchi, we are ready to fill orders of any size for the 5.7x28mm ammunition in both unrestricted and restricted formats.”

FNH USA offers the popular 5.7x28mm for use in the FN P90 tactical system, PS 90 semi-automatic carbine, and the Five seveN USG handgun. The ammunition is readily available, and FN has kept pricing steady in spite of increased demand.

For more information on the 5.7x28mm ammunition, please contact an authorized FNH USA dealer or locate a dealer at www.fnhusa.com

FNH USA is the sales and marketing arm of FN Herstal, S.A., Belgium. Its corporate mission is to retain and expand its global leadership position in the defense, law enforcement and associated commercial markets by providing the highest quality products and the finest in training and logistical support. Visit www.fnhusa.com to view the entire line of FNH USA products and services.

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/press/detail.asp?id=22

Thats the reason anyone from FN herstal says that they wont ship anything to this area unless its Military... thats cause everything is handled here by FNUSA... and by "Here" I mean in the states...

CK
 
This was back in Jul 2006 from a member called sxyps90 on the fiveseven forums...

SS195 and SS197 were just approved by the Canadian Explosives retards last week. It should be "on the import list" by the end of the month.
I had to kindly inform them that they DO make NON-AP ammo in 5.7x28. I guess nobody mentioned that to them until I did (yeah right).

Other then a retarded amount of tax (because it's made in Belgium) totalling $468.18 nothing too major so far.

I'll let everyone know how it goes at customs.
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Seems even more weird?

CK
 
There is a list of ammo that is importable and ss195 and ss197 are certainly on it. My take on the whole issue is FN Belgium "told" the explosives division that all 5.7 ammo is restricted to LE or military only. For some reason the chief reviewer has taken this to heart and is sticking to it, denying import to anyone but LE or mil. The fact that I am not purchasing the ammo from FN USA but from a 3rd party dealer doesn't seem to make a difference.

Maybe I should start a thread in legalase because I'm at a lost. I will call the chief explosives inspector directly on Monday (as of yet him and I have only communicated via numerous emails) and inform him that it is not his place to enforce FN Herstal's policies. If that does not work I'll post transcripts of all our communications here and you all can see how stupid this really is.
 
Yeah, I guess keep me up to speed... I have made a post on the FN website to see how anyone there is getting ammo if possible... I will let you know if I find anything else.

Is the explosives inspector the head guy for Canada or just BC?

CK
 
Mopar, I just received this reply from the FiveSeven forum...

We would be pleased to assist you with the legal importation of 5.7x28mm to Canada.

Please send an e-mail to customerservice(at)eliteammunition(dot)com to get the contact information for our CEO, Ryan Herle, who will assist you with this.

We are a Federally licensed Ammunition Manufacturer specializing in the 5.7x28mm cartridge. We have both re-manufactured and new ammunition available for sale.

Best regards!

-Elite Ammunition
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CK
 
mopar guy said:
Yes I understand that it is the policy of some company thousands of miles away in a different country. But why, please tell me, is the gov't of Canada denying import permits for it based solely on what FN has said? You're right, it's not Canadian law, so why is the explosives division acting like FN's word is just that, law?
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The answer is pretty simple. I'm sure this clown at the explosives division was appointed or leans left. The goal is remove firearms from the hands of citizens. The FNH company policy is their excuse for telling you to go pound sand. Unfortunately you have more brains than this idiot.

TDC
 
CK: Thanks for the help however the problem with elite ammunition is they're likely not on the approved ammunition list. To get them approved takes something like $1000 and a year for testing, plus however many rounds the explosives division needs to test.

The FNH stuff is already approved, but like TDC said the main guy (for Canada, not just BC) is opting not to let it into the country.

Aftermidnight: My best guess is FNH probably informed the explosived division years ago (back when they were just making AP rounds) that it was LE/MIL stuff and nobody (in Canada) has been able to grasp the concept that things and times change. Especially beurocrats... "you mean the files are in the computer...?"

Hell, all they had to do is open the FN USA website, click on 5.7 ammo, click on ss195 and see in the bottom corner of the screen that it states "sporting and hunting use" Doesn't sound like LE/MIL ammo to me.

TDC: thanks and I agree, and I hope I can talk some sense into this fellow. Worst case I will either A: go over his head because everyone answers to someone, or B: contact FNH myself and get it in writing that FMH and HP rounds are for civillian use.
 
Arnies in P/A Sask. has ammo...it's FN...i don't know much about the ammo as it doesn't float my boat......Phil(owner) has a Contender barrel on order in that cal...he and I are buds. and play around with all kinds of wildcats. He is the Canadian supplier(new) for A-SQUARE and has a few rifles coming in including a .500 and possibly a .577 t-rex. I just mention the last bit to show the kind of variety Arnies has or can get.
 
I cant seem to find the 5.7 x 28mm on this list...

http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/mms/explosif/auth-list/explo2b.pdf

Granted its a HUGE list... I found some FN Herstal areas, but no 5.7... and I didnt see any area with FNUSA.

From what I understand that is the import list... yes?

Ben, I cant imagine that ammo is legal... I still cant see how you can bring it into Canada legitimately... maybe I am wrong... Does Arnies have a website or anything?

CK
 
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Call him and see....306-922-7292, looks like undersized .221 fireball to me, can't imagine it would be very effective.
 
These are all legal...and live in my vault:)

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