FN SCAR-16s: RIP Oct 2012

Boomer74 said:
SCAR-S models classed as prohib, due to replacement of 3 major components that are TOTALLY unobtainable by average civilians (Canadian or otherwise), by the RCMP...

In a nut-shell...
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The FRT there says SCAR-16S models with full automatic actions are prohibited is what Shooting Centre is pointing out.
 
sigger69 said:
The FRT there says SCAR-16S models with full automatic actions are prohibited is what Shooting Centre is pointing out.
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I agree.

we just need a Scar with a Semi-Action. Then it is good to go.

Blaxsun jumped the gun. FRT entry for Full Auto Scars means nothing.

I find it funny he posted in Questars Private Sponsor forum that they are Prohib. LOL
DUH! All Full-Auto guns are.........

Making posts in a sponsors forum that may hurt his business...tsk tsk. Infractions are handed out for that.
 
Hey at least it's fking done with... we all knew it wouldn't happen, but still waited about 3 years? 2 years? just to find out. It's stupid, someone needs to whip these morons classifying our guns.
 
rivetc78 said:
we just need a Scar with a Semi-Action. Then it is good to go.
Blaxsun jumped the gun. FRT entry for Full Auto Scars means nothing.
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Keep hanging onto that dream... I mean, the guy that imported both the SA and FA versions of the SCAR for the RCMP to test indicates it's prohibited, the FRT states it's prohibited and even Questar has acknowledged it's now prohibited.

Yeah, I'm sure I'll get an infraction for stating the obvious... Maybe you want to brush up on your facts before giving anyone false hope.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?813365-SCAR-16S-and-SCAR17S-UPDATE!!

vikinglord said:
Do the few that received these guns in canada get prohib status or forfeit the guns?
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Nobody got them, because they were ineligible for transfer prior to the classification.
 
sigger69 said:
The FRT there says SCAR-16S models with full automatic actions are prohibited is what Shooting Centre is pointing out.
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rivetc78 said:
I agree.

we just need a Scar with a Semi-Action. Then it is good to go.

Blaxsun jumped the gun. FRT entry for Full Auto Scars means nothing.

I find it funny he posted in Questars Private Sponsor forum that they are Prohib. LOL
DUH! All Full-Auto guns are.........

Making posts in a sponsors forum that may hurt his business...tsk tsk. Infractions are handed out for that.
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What both of you don't understand is... The SCAR-16S & 17S ARE the semi-auto-only versions !

Browse FN-usa's website like I did... Actually here, ya lazy b@st@rds. :p


BOTH THESE TWO ARE SEMI-AUTO ONLY, incl the L/E 16s & 17s.

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/commercial/carbines/scar-series/

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/law-enforcement/carbines/scar-series/

The SCAR® is the semi-auto only version of the newest service rifle of U.S. special operators. Light, fast-handling and quick shooting, the SCAR® 16S is chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO (223 Rem.) and features a free-floating, cold hammer-forged MIL-SPEC barrel with chrome-lined bore. The SCAR® 17S is chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO (308 Win.) and features a free-floating, cold hammer-forged MIL-SPEC barrel with chrome-lined bore. Fully-ambidextrous operating controls on both models instantly adapt to any shooter and any shooting position. The receiver-integrated MIL-STD 1913 optical rail and three accessory rails enable the mounting of scopes or electronic sights, plus tactical lights and lasers. The telescoping, side-folding polymer stock is fully adjustable for comb height and length-of-pull, and is available in Flat Dark Earth (FDE) or matte black.

The SCAR® Series includes: SCAR® 16S & SCAR® 17S
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These two are the full-auto models, SCAR 16 & 17, aka MK16 & MK17...

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/law-enforcement/tactical/scar-series/

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/military/scar-family/

Available as either the SCAR® 16, firing the low recoil, high-velocity 5.56x45mm NATO (223 Rem.) or as the SCAR® 17, firing the long range, hard-hitting 7.62x51mm NATO (308 Win.) cartridge. These selective fire carbines are ideal as a patrol rifle or as a special operations or SWAT weapon. The innovative gas-operated, short stroke piston system reduces fouling for greater reliability under adverse conditions. Both the SCAR® 16 and SCAR® 17 are available in Standard and CQC models, offering law enforcement operators a choice of barrel lengths to best suit their mission. All SCAR® barrels are user-interchangeable, free-floating, cold hammer-forged and fully MIL-SPEC with hard-chromed bores. Fully-ambidextrous operating controls instantly adapt the SCAR® to any user. The receiver-integrated MIL-STD 1913 optical rail plus three accessory rails enable mounting of a wide variety of tactical lights and lasers. The side-folding, polymer stock is fully adjustable for comb height and length of pull, and colored matte black or authentic Flat Dark Earth (FDE).

The SCAR® Series includes: SCAR® 16 & SCAR® 17
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* notable loss - the availablity of even a restricted SCAR PDW... Looks kinda like an XCR pistol, but a cooler stock.

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blaxsun said:
Nobody got them, because they were ineligible for transfer prior to the classification.
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Perhaps.

But.... Transfer to where?? There is no Long Gun Registry remember...........

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This has been discussed before. What is brought over the border "legally" according to the Criminal Code and what the RCMP wants.
I am not advocating breaking the law... I like staying here on CGN. But it has been discussed before in other threads.

I am pretty sure there is a few 'pro-hib' scars in Canada.
 
rivetc78 said:
Perhaps.
But.... Transfer to where?? There is no Long Gun Registry remember...

This has been discussed before. What is brought over the border "legally" according to the Criminal Code and what the RCMP wants.
I am not advocating breaking the law... I like staying here on CGN. But it has been discussed before in other threads.

I am pretty sure there is a few 'pro-hib' scars in Canada.
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Without a classification (non-restricted or otherwise) and FRT, I don't believe they are transferable. Hey, it's entirely possible there's the odd SCAR-16s or two floating around... (doubt we'll ever see any surface except in a scene from Deliverance).
 
Because in the end. What does the FRT mean anyway? Rifles don't need a FRT # to be imported.
The Criminal code sets out the legality of a Rifle.

sorry.....I'm rambling. It's that F'N rum again.........
 
rivetc78 said:
Because in the end. What does the FRT mean anyway? Rifles don't need a FRT # to be imported. The Criminal code sets out the legality of a Rifle.
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Last I checked they did, but maybe this is very much a grey area at the moment with the demise of the LGR. If you import a gun that legally meets the requirements of a non-restricted firearm - but it hasn't been reviewed or classified - is it prohibited? Does CBSA just sit on it?
 
This is a sad outcome...while i'm not a fan of the SCAR (I've handled it down south and was't impressed), banning a rifle based on intent (which is really what it comes down to) is ridiculous. The FA parts aren't available to us mere civies...and you'd need to be a machinist to make the parts. My opinion of those who do the classifying just dropped substantially (but it wasn't high to begin with).
 
blaxsun said:
Does CBSA just sit on it?
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Grey area is right. The CBSA follows the Criminal Code. If it meets the Criteria, what can they do? Hold it because?....

I will call on Monday and ask about about importing a rifle..... LOL

I don't have to register a Non-Res. So if it meets the Criminal Code Requirements of Non-Res.

sigh.... why can;t we just buy everything witout the hassle
 
rivetc78 said:
Grey area is right. The CBSA follows the Criminal Code. If it meets the Criteria, what can they do? Hold it because?....

I will call on Monday and ask about about importing a rifle..... LOL

I don't have to register a Non-Res. So if it meets the Criminal Code Requirements of Non-Res.

sigh.... why can;t we just buy everything witout the hassle
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In answer to your first question, yeah. CBSA can and does routinely sit on stuff. I had a legitimate shipment sit for nearly 6 months "just because". If they can do that for a handful of 10-round Glock magazines, imagine what they'd do with an actual firearm...

No, you don't have to register a non-restricted. The question is: who makes that determination. And that's the grey area. Not gonna be a SCAR-16s. ;)
 
I believe that blaxsun's explanation about an easy swap to a FA trigger group that transforms the firearm into a FA allows us to understand the RCMP's decision.

The Hasselwander majority decision of the Supreme Court of Canada told us that

the word "capable" in para. (c) includes an aspect of potential capability for conversion and, given a reasonable interpretation, should be defined as meaning capable of conversion to an automatic weapon in a relatively short period of time with relative ease. To come to any other conclusion would undermine the very purpose of the legislation. Therefore, where a weapon can be quickly and readily converted to automatic status, that weapon falls within the definition of "prohibited weapon".
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This decision was 3-2. The subject matter was the ownership of a semi-automatic mini-uzi submachine gun.

Thought this could help shed some light. Don't shoot the messenger.
 
Damn I was hoping to get a 17S too but then get and 18.5" barrel for it.

It figures that the CFC is full of incompetent rejects that really don't understand firearms nor the complexity of importation of regulated parts or being an actual machinist to create/convert items "in seconds".
 
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