Food Plots whos planting?

[catnthehatt]

It is ilegal to bait "game " animals in Alberta, but we can bait bears??
What's up with that?
This is something i always had trouble with.
I used to hunt a clover area that the farmer specifically left in clover.
he liked deer, and felt he was doing a good thing by keeping a good supply of nitrogen for them, it also tended to keep them away from his other stuff.
He didn't hunt, but didn't mind people hunting his fields.

So when I hunted the transition trails up to this particular fieeld, I was legal, but technically speaking, as soon as I topped up over the bank of the creek and let loose an arrow into a deer that was feeding in that patch, I committed an illegal act?

I never could figure out that one.......
Cat

 

[huntinstuff]

I planted some clover and made a mineral lick that I ordered from the Whitetail Institute in Ontario.......We did a 10 acre plot. The seed was great quality and all I had to pay was the shipping $45)

I'm sure regular clover or alfalfa would work just as well, but I thought Id give them some business anyways......no regrets....we had moose, mulies, but no whitetails yet.

 

[BIGREDD]

Yeah Cat this is a common misconception... planting food plots in most jurisdictions are not considered baiting... clover or any other type of agriculture is not considered baiting either. What exactly is the wording on your baiting laws in Alberta?
The Farmer was doing a good thing by leaving the clover for them... this is another benefit of food plots, it will give the deer another option other than the cash crops.
I think that in many areas of Alberta it would be hard to hunt deer that are not in or near grain or other agricluture.

 

[crazy_davey]

I think that in many areas of Alberta it would be hard to hunt deer that are not in or near grain or other agricluture.

Sorry Redd, some of us hunt mountain mulies and whitetails, no grain fields or agriculture where we hunt. Sometimes we will go to other areas where there is agriculture, but I myself do not find it near as enjoyable.

 

[art.h]

Turn of the century farm lane overgrown fences vines and sumacs, Cavan Twp., cleared the centre lane planted white clover and vetch-- deer use the lane as a corridor, feed and bed. Cavan goat sure tastes good every yeat!
ART

 

[ivo]

Keep going Redd, I'm getting used to the insults and belittling...I just can't get used to the agruement of planting a food plot for easier hunting as a disguise for "game management".

The article of the "good ole boys" down there in Texas says it all.

If this type of hunting is preferred by some hunters by all means go right ahead and do it, its just not my thing.

And you're right about me being anti hunting, can't you tell.

 

[BIGREDD]

Nice picture ivo.. I like the way the guns are all pointing at various people with drinks in their hands... not exactly my style... we put the guns away before the drinks come out.

 

[BIGREDD]

Sorry Redd, some of us hunt mountain mulies and whitetails, no grain fields or agriculture where we hunt. Sometimes we will go to other areas where there is agriculture, but I myself do not find it near as enjoyable.

Yeah I know the geography Davey.. and the mountains in your province are beautiful without a doubt. If you drive an hour north of my house you leave the agriculture behind and you are on the Canadian shield... it isn't the mountains but it is just as wild and fun to hunt too .

 

[BIGREDD]

Turn of the century farm lane overgrown fences vines and sumacs, Cavan Twp., cleared the centre lane planted white clover and vetch-- deer use the lane as a corridor, feed and bed. Cavan goat sure tastes good every yeat!
ART

I think we are neighbours Art... I heard you shooting yesterday... welcome to the swamp IIIEEEEEEE!

 

[ivo]

So far all I have heard from Big Redd is how stupid, ignorant and uneducated I am but still no comments on the article he posted about the different type of food plots and what they are designed to do.

The "Nutrition Plot" designed to enhance the deers diet and basically, I'll paraphrase here, fatten them up for the winter?

And, the "Harvest Plot" which does not function primarily to improve deer nutrition. On the contrary, its primary purpose is to bring the animals to the hunter.

Sorry fellas but this sounds a lot like farming to me opposed to game conservation, maybe thats how they came up with the name "game farm".

So if you live in an agricultural area, why the need for food plots Big Redd?

Game conservation and management is primarily a function of the local government authorities in Canada through draw systems, bag limits, development of wetlands, planting trees... and is supported by us the hunters in many ways such as lisencing fees, local fish and game club membership, membership to larger organizations like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, donation of time and money... with such successful wildlife management programs here in Canada why the need for food plots?

The Native North American game species have survived for hundreds of years on this continent due mostly to these conservation efforts yet without food plots, but now whitetail deer are endangered in southern Ontario so they need food plots to get their population back up, is this what you're trying to say?

Big Redd maybe you're right, I must be stupid, after all of the educating and informing and pure wisdom you have brought to this post I still can't understand the need for food plots.

Just admit it for once, you need an easier target.

 

[BIGREDD]

So far all I have heard from Big Redd is how stupid, ignorant and uneducated I am but still no comments on the article he posted about the different type of food plots and what they are designed to do.

I have not called you any such thing anywhere in my posts... you must be thinking of your momma... there is a ton of information here if you choose to read the thread

The "Nutrition Plot" designed to enhance the deers diet and basically, I'll paraphrase here, fatten them up for the winter?

You must have a hard time comprehending ivo... natural foods = good nutrition this is a good thing and much better than the deer eating the farmers genetically modified grain crops

And, the "Harvest Plot" which does not function primarily to improve deer nutrition. On the contrary, its primary purpose is to bring the animals to the hunter.

This too is used as a management tool in areas where deer are overpopulated or where there are too many of one ### or age group. It is a proven and successful management technique. We don't use this in our areas because the deer are not over populated or unbalanced in any way!

Sorry fellas but this sounds a lot like farming to me opposed to game conservation, maybe thats how they came up with the name "game farm".

Now you are showing your lack of intelligence and your contempt for other hunters... no one here is planting food plots inside game fence and you must be stunned to come to that conclusion.

So if you live in an agricultural area, why the need for food plots Big Redd?

Are you completely without brain function... food plots feed the deer healthy foods ALL YEAR AROUND... and they benefit not only the wildlife but the farmers who don't suffer as much crop damage!!!

Game conservation and management is primarily a function of the local government authorities in Canada through draw systems, bag limits, development of wetlands, planting trees... and is supported by us the hunters in many ways such as lisencing fees, local fish and game club membership, membership to larger organizations like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, donation of time and money... with such successful wildlife management programs here in Canada why the need for food plots?

So you believe the government is doing a good job with regard to game mangement and conservation... and furthermore you think there is no need for individuals to practice conservation and game management on their own properties... You must be kidding.

The Native North American game species have survived for hundreds of years on this continent due mostly to these conservation efforts yet without food plots, but now whitetail deer are endangered in southern Ontario so they need food plots to get their population back up, is this what you're trying to say?

I never said any such thing ... is your whole argument just a lame-ass effort at putting words in my mouth... your not even making sense with this crap!

Big Redd maybe you're right, I must be stupid, after all of the educating and informing and pure wisdom you have brought to this post I still can't understand the need for food plots.

Finally we agree on something ivo... you will never understand and you will never be a real hunter because of that sad fact.

Just admit it for once, you need an easier target.

I have never had an easier target than you ivo... I suggest you go back and re-read this thread... show me one member who agrees with you... that's right you are on your own

I am going to make a suggestion to you ivo... get the f**k off my thread if you have nothing constructive to offer.
You have lost the debate completely and you have reached the point of breaking the board rules with this nonsense.
If you continue to troll on my thread I will ask the mods to censure you...
Go home little troll... were done.

 

[catnthehatt]

Yeah Cat this is a common misconception... planting food plots in most jurisdictions are not considered baiting... clover or any other type of agriculture is not considered baiting either. What exactly is the wording on your baiting laws in Alberta?
The Farmer was doing a good thing by leaving the clover for them... this is another benefit of food plots, it will give the deer another option other than the cash crops.
I think that in many areas of Alberta it would be hard to hunt deer that are not in or near grain or other agricluture.

Just checked the regulations and it says it is illegal to "bait, except for black bears"

it does not however, deifen baiting.
i will talk to my Warden friend and find out....
Cat

 

[BIGREDD]

From the Alberta regs...

It is unlawful to

1) set out, use or employ any of the following items for the purpose of hunting big game:
-ammunition of less than .23 calibre,
-ammunition that contains non-expanding bullets,
-an auto-loading firearm that has the capacity to hold more than 5
cartridges in the magazine,
-a shotgun having a gauge of .410 or less,
-a shotgun in a bird sanctuary,
-bait, except as permitted for the hunting of black bears (click here to view
Big Game Regulations and Black Bear Baiting),
-an arrow other than an authorized arrow (click here to view Big Game
Regulations and Bowhunting),
-a bow other than an authorized bow (click here to view Big Game
Regulations and Bowhunting),
-a muzzle-loading firearm of less than .44 calibre,
-a rifle or shotgun in WMUs 212, 248 or 410 (persons hunting under the
authority of a Strathcona White-tailed Deer Licence, a Foothills Deer
Licence, or an Antlerless Moose Special Licence in Strathcona County may
hunt with a bow and arrow, cross-bow, muzzleloader or shotgun),
a trap,
-a cross-bow and arrow that is not authorized (click here to view Hunting
with a Cross-bow)

I think the words "set out" are the defining principal in this regulation Cat.
I doubt that anything growing could be considered bait in this regard.
But I have been wrong before and you are wise to get an interpretation from the Fish Cops.

 

[ivo]

Big Redd,

You should really go see a psychiatrist because all that denial will eat you up.
You say you haven't insulted me yet you did it 4 times in the last post, I'm here to debate not sling mud, so grow up!

Harvest plots are a game management tool? Yeah to allow hunters on big Texas ranches to shoot big deer. Get serious!

Why can't you just answer my question, Why the need for food plots Bubba? If deer have existed in N.A. for centuries with populations never better than today, why the need for food plots? If deer populations are well balanced in your area, why the need for food plots?

Why why why?

On a final note, I would like to appologize to all of the people reading this thread for it getting out of hand and admittedly so it is my fault that it got off topic. I will end my side if the debate on this thread because it appears that I will not get a straight answer.

Once again my appologies,

Ivo

Ivo

 

[crazy_davey]

BigRedd, you seem to be the one who cant understand. Some of us hunt in a different way than you do, period.

I hunt deer every year and have for a very long time, have never needed to feed them first though . I do not disagree with hunting food plots or agriculture fields, I just dont find it all that much fun. If you do then have at er .

I have very long time family friends here in Alberta who own game ranches, not for hunting but for selling the genes to rich Americans for hunting and they do very well with it. The people who own these ranches are long time hunting guides and would never think of hunting this way, but the money is too hard to pass up I guess. There are many details involved with game ranches which I wont even bother to get into here. I dont agree with the way it is done, but who am I to say, they make damn good money at it and I am stuck working a regular job like every other chump.

Bighead, I am not trying to keep this fight going, I dont think it is worth it. Please understand that some people have a different opinion than you do, so what! You are hunting and doing it legal and having fun, keep at er!

I know I will keep doing what I am doing because it works and I like hunting my way, I always fill the freezer and have a smile on at the end of hunting season, thats all that counts to me

BTW, some of my very best friends and hunting partners hunt grain fields for deer and stand over baits for bears, I am not a big fan of it, but they like doing it that way and have lots of fun at the same time. Sometimes during hunting season we split up because of these reasons, but we always get together and have great stories to tell at the end of it all and we still remain the best of friends. I guess we agree to dissagree, but in the end who really cares.

 

[BIGREDD]

BigRedd, you seem to be the one who cant understand. Some of us hunt in a different way than you do, period.

I never CRITISIZED the way either of you children hunt. I understand and respect that there are many ways to do so.
It foolish and closed minded people like yourself that lack understanding and respect for these differences.....PERIOD!

I have very long time family friends here in Alberta who own game ranches, not for hunting but for selling the genes to rich Americans for hunting and they do very well with it. The people who own these ranches are long time hunting guides and would never think of hunting this way, but the money is too hard to pass up I guess. There are many details involved with game ranches which I wont even bother to get into here. I dont agree with the way it is done, but who am I to say, they make damn good money at it and I am stuck working a regular job like every other chump.

This paragraph is inanane and irrelevant to the topic of the thread.... I could give a s**t who you know.
It does illustrate that you are accepting of Game Farms but critical of small food plots... and you just defeated your own argument.

Bighead, I am not trying to keep this fight going, I dont think it is worth it. Please understand that some people have a different opinion than you do, so what! You are hunting and doing it legal and having fun, keep at er!

You most certainly are trying to keep the fight going and if you didn't think it was worth it why the childish and feeble shot at my user name?

I know I will keep doing what I am doing because it works and I like hunting my way, I always fill the freezer and have a smile on at the end of hunting season, thats all that counts to me

If that is all that counts to you why be critical of what other hunters are doing? You and your friend are a detriment to this site and to hunters everywhere.

BTW, some of my very best friends and hunting partners hunt grain fields for deer and stand over baits for bears, I am not a big fan of it, but they like doing it that way and have lots of fun at the same time. Sometimes during hunting season we split up because of these reasons, but we always get together and have great stories to tell at the end of it all and we still remain the best of friends. I guess we agree to dissagree, but in the end who really cares.

This statement is pure hypocrisy, your whole post speaks to your inacceptance of other forms of hunting. Otherwise why would you bring up bear baiting on a food plot thread... you sir are only decieving yourself.

I make the same suggestion to you as I did to your compatriot... move along... your not wanted here.

 

[crazy_davey]

I guess It is not worth the time. Bighead is right and everyone who does not agree with him is wrong. Sorry god allmighty, I am wrong and you are right, we all as hunters owe our hunting lives to you, you are the man Bighead.

I was offering another opinion in my past post and trying to be decent about it. Sorry for posting in your topic Bigredd.

Tearing apart someones wording in a post is a sign of weakness, because you have nothing else to pick on. Why not answer some of the questions you were asked by IVO? Because you cant come up with anyting better than to rip apart his posts?

I should have known better than to fight with a Walmart employee

 

[crazy_davey]

I never CRITISIZED the way either of you children hunt. I understand and respect that there are many ways to do so.
It foolish and closed minded people like yourself that lack understanding and respect for these differences.....PERIOD!



This paragraph is inanane and irrelevant to the topic of the thread.... I could give a s**t who you know.
It does illustrate that you are accepting of Game Farms but critical of small food plots... and you just defeated your own argument.



You most certainly are trying to keep the fight going and if you didn't think it was worth it why the childish and feeble shot at my user name?



If that is all that counts to you why be critical of what other hunters are doing? You and your friend are a detriment to this site and to hunters everywhere.



This statement is pure hypocrisy, your whole post speaks to your inacceptance of other forms of hunting. Otherwise why would you bring up bear baiting on a food plot thread... you sir are only decieving yourself.

I make the same suggestion to you as I did to your compatriot... move along... your not wanted here.

I see nothing wrong with what I posted, maybe you need to take a breather? If you think that I should not post on your topic feel free to contact the mods and let them know that I agree with the way you hunt, although I do things differently, and that you want me removed from this site because you dont agree with me.

I was not trying to agree or dissagree with you Redd, but you seem to take offense to anything people post on this topic.

Have a nice day

 

[BIGREDD]

Big Redd,

You should really go see a psychiatrist because all that denial will eat you up.
You say you haven't insulted me yet you did it 4 times in the last post, I'm here to debate not sling mud, so grow up!

I never said I didn't insult you, I said I didn't call you stupid or ignorant or uneducated on the open forum and up until now, I didn't!
I don't have to try hard to insult you anyway... your own words and posts are insulting enough to your character.
But you did just attack me personally again... you just keep on breaking the rules... obviously because you lack the ability to debate within them.
And you have the audacity to claim that you don't sling mud... here are two of your original posts on this thread...

You sound like a bunch of American, whats next an 8 foot fence around your property. I don't mean to stereotype all Ontarians or Americans for that matter but it figures its in Ontario .

I would like to go on but I have an appointment at the zoo to shoot a polar bear.

On second thought I don't suppose its any worse than baiting bears but I still think it takes away from the "fair chase" aspect of hunting.

What do you call these comments... a difference of opinion?... I don't think so... I call them lies and inflammatory comments that only prove your ignorance and intolerance for others.
And I have proved that repeatedly ivo.... this is abundantly clear to everyone here... except you... you are the one who needs to grow up.

Harvest plots are a game management tool? Yeah to allow hunters on big Texas ranches to shoot big deer. Get serious!

Why can't you just answer my question, Why the need for food plots Bubba? If deer have existed in N.A. for centuries with populations never better than today, why the need for food plots? If deer populations are well balanced in your area, why the need for food plots?

Why why why?

I have repeatedly answered our questions with factual answers... the fact that you don't get it is not my problem... who is bubba? your daddy?

On a final note, I would like to appologize to all of the people reading this thread for it getting out of hand and admittedly so it is my fault that it got off topic. I will end my side if the debate on this thread because it appears that I will not get a straight answer.

You call this an apology...I might have given it credence if you had not added that stupid comment about a straight answer... I have given you straight goods on food plots from the very beginning.
All this post does is add to your Troll Count!
Any chance you will quit trolling on my threads now?
I doubt it.

 

[crazy_davey]

Redd, you really do need to take a breather. Go shooting, have some fun and calm down