For Immediate Release! CSAAA- Shotgun ban!!

FAQMAT said:
No, i think that YOU are missing the point: Nobody's gonna take your shotgun away... for now. You are all focusing at the wrong target
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Why the hell are we even arguing about this. Lock everyone of these threads until the CSSA/CCFR get the ruling in writing.
 
apologies, no abuse intended, just frustrated like the rest of us. The least ambiguous and likely easiest, way to measure the bore diameter is at the muzzle without a choke installed. The police will likely not slug your barrel in the field to determine minimum diameter.
 
Foxtrot said:
Doesn't matter if 99% of the bore is under 20mm, if the last 1% is 20mm or over you are now by law in posession of a prohibited device. The bore diameter is measured as the largest diameter forward of the chamber.. the threaded portion of the barrel that accepts various chokes is larger than 20mm - it is considered part of the barrel bore, therefore making the shotgun a prohibited device.
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Really? Says who and what? Interpretations .... and poorly written law without definitions.

Judges will make determinations now and case precedents will be set and it will cost us thousands and thousands of dollars - yes.

And, the majority of Canada voted the Liberals in. Go figure that ...

There are alot of legal arguments already on the 12 gauge shotgun bore issue, it wont stand up as currently written. Time will tell ...

keep voting the Liberals in folks, I havent met a person who voted for them, yet, they have a government ..... how weird and then sad is that?
 
linux99 said:
Yup. I'm seeing all these comments that go like "neh-nah, neh-nah FUDDS - you're screwed just like us now - FUDDS!!!!"

And I think: "Is this the sort of responsible adult I want to entrust a semi automatic rifle to?"

Hint: If you want to be treated as an adult - it's a real good idea to sound like one.
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I am not asking for your permission. It is none of your business what I do or have in the sanctity of my home. Or to put it so the liberals can understand what I do in my bedroom is up to me so stay out of it.
 
FAQMAT said:
No, i think that YOU are missing the point: Nobody's gonna take your shotgun away... for now. You are all focusing at the wrong target
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And 10/22 butlercreek mags are not prohibited and no one will take them from you, right?
Did they intend to do this? Likely not but its there to be used at any time at their will or by an overzealous officer that has come to a house for some other reason.
 
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medvedqc said:
if something would be corrected that means as of this correction is made some shotguns are prohibited ....
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how can they correct it? Once it goes prohib it can not go back due to bill c71 that they passed - any change i believe needs to be in legislation-i could be wrong
 
Is it so hard to believe that a drama teacher, a fake cop and their merry band of idiots rushed this into existence and screwed it up royally? The only question is what do they do about it. My guess is they will double down on this while at the same time lie about their intentions. This OIC has been described as vague, confusing and poorly written. Sounds like the whole of Firearms law in Canada. To Trudeau and Blair that's not a bug, that's a feature.
 
Shooteymcshooterson said:
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no he won't. He will just have to change the standard on how shotgun bore is measure to being measured below the choke cut, at the main bore dia. Or base on Sammi bore specifications
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Saami standards will tell you to not to measure the choke to determine diameter.
It was always my understanding that bore diameter of a shotgun is the largest measurement beyond the forcing cone.
Does the choked end get counted as barrel length? Yes
Does a breacher choke get counted as barrel length? No

I think the whole OIC should be scrapped based on their oversight, unintended consequences.
 
TIGERTACTICAL said:
Saami standards will tell you to not to measure the choke to determine diameter.
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The SAAMI standard tells you not to measure the restricted choke or the expanded muzzle.

So artificially expanding the bore contrary to the manufacturers safety instructions by removing the choke and then saying "measure it" seems like a quite extraordinary thing.

This is of course speculation.

However I have $100 for anyone who wants to bet that their shotgun will be seized under this OIC because of the choke removed bore width. get back in the real world folks!
 
Can we just stop please. Let’s put qualified legal and sport shooting people together and address this from a PR/legal perspective and abandon “the gun” banter. I hope we can salvage this. Let’s stop asking for resignations, calling for bans on our own stuff, adding our our stuff to the list. Let’s get our act together.
 
linux99 said:
The SAAMI standard tells you not to measure the restricted choke or the expanded muzzle.

So artificially expanding the bore contrary to the manufacturers safety instructions by removing the choke and then saying "measure it" seems like a quite extraordinary thing.

This is of course speculation.

However I have $100 for anyone who wants to bet that their shotgun will be seized under this OIC because of the choke removed bore width. get back in the real world folks!
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So when it’s telling you to not measure the restricted portion it’s referring to a non removable or removable choke.
When it’s telling you not to measure the expanded muzzle it refers to a poly choke or breaching choke.

A 12 gauge open cylinder barrel with muzzle filed or drilled out to beyond 20mm would make it prohibited without a choke.

If you had a 10 gauge with no choke and a bulged barrel either manufactured or otherwise it would exceed 20MM

That’s my interpretation of Saami and shotgun barrel diameter.

Yes I agree this whole thing is stupid! And I don’t believe anyone will be charged over this.
 
linux99 said:
The SAAMI standard tells you not to measure the restricted choke or the expanded muzzle.

So artificially expanding the bore contrary to the manufacturers safety instructions by removing the choke and then saying "measure it" seems like a quite extraordinary thing.

This is of course speculation.

However I have $100 for anyone who wants to bet that their shotgun will be seized under this OIC because of the choke removed bore width. get back in the real world folks!
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The point is the language now exists and can be used at their will. 30 years ago I can hear you saying they will never touch anything to do with a 10/22. - guess what they did.
 
linux99 said:
The SAAMI standard tells you not to measure the restricted choke or the expanded muzzle.

So artificially expanding the bore contrary to the manufacturer's safety instructions by removing the choke and then saying "measure it" seems like a quite extraordinary thing.

This is of course speculation.

However I have $100 for anyone who wants to bet that their shotgun will be seized under this OIC because of the choke removed bore width. get back in the real world folks!
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The RCMP specifically measures barrels without removable elements installed so that they're consistent for legal purposes. Nothing about that is extraordinary, on the contrary, that is their standard operating procedure for legally assessing a firearm. I have serious doubts that they or the courts would care how SAAMI determines said measurement for technical purposes.

I'm not sure anyone seriously thinks that their shotguns will be seized in the near future. The issue is that as the regulation is actually written it can be enforced that way. What happens in two years after we've swallowed the idea of this and enforcement starts? Depending on what sort of buyback provisions are or aren't passed, you might start getting some takers...
 
rsbonini said:
The RCMP specifically measures barrels without removable elements installed so that they're consistent for legal purposes. Nothing about that is extraordinary, on the contrary, that is their standard operating procedure for legally assessing a firearm. I have serious doubts that they or the courts would care how SAAMI determines said measurement for technical purposes.

I'm not sure anyone seriously thinks that their shotguns will be seized in the near future. The issue is that as the regulation is actually written it can be enforced that way. What happens in two years after we've swallowed the idea of this and enforcement starts? Depending on what sort of buyback provisions are or aren't passed, you might start getting some takers...
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This. Counting on the ambivalence/relying on the discretion of the RCMP when it comes to whether or not I'm breaking the law isn't a gamble I want to take, ever.
 
bigplinker said:
This. Counting on the ambivalence/relying on the discretion of the RCMP when it comes to whether or not I'm breaking the law isn't a gamble I want to take, ever.
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Absolutely.
We have to put away our "assault rifles" but shotgun owners dont because "the government made a mistake and didnt mean to include us". The mental gymnastics required for this position is truly dizzying.
 
sbe said:
The point is the language now exists and can be used at their will. 30 years ago I can hear you saying they will never touch anything to do with a 10/22. - guess what they did.
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Yes and this OIC also prohibited more 22LR guns. Somehow these 22LRs are more dangerous and designed to kill vast amounts of people quickly than any other 22 LR firearm out there.
 
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