gunrunner8 - your response confirms again all this is theory from you. I'm clearly defending a 12" twist as a very practical option for the 35 Whelen in response to your unfounded kicking it in the sides and warning against it - based on your own theories - not your real world load development and experience shooting of 35 Whelens it seems to me. I still think you are wrong.
There is nothing remotely "spikey" (jekyl and hyde) in real world shooting of 12 twists at all. I had two 12 twists out this month (350WSM and 350RemMag - near ballistic twin to the 35Whelen - incidentally I reload and shoot several 14 and many 16 twists too in 35cal). So I chronyed them up to max and both were very predictable as always as I increased my loads to near max - nothing "spikey". But I'll concede as you say that a max pressure may be reached with a very slightly less powder charge. So "theoretically" that may mean less velocity out the door. But it is so slight as to be meaningless in the real world of the 35 Whelen which is a very efficient cartridge. After all - for this discussion - it's the pressure itself moving out the bullet not the weight of the charge used to create the pressure. When you pontificate categorically that a 12 twist 35Whelen is no good it's like adding a drop of water to the oceans of the world and then arguing there is more water there now - it may be true but is statistically and practically meaningless.
Finally, a 12 twist may vastly improve the flight characteristics of a heavy weight 35 Whelen bullet - especially past 100 yds in some 35s - which is the main point which gets forgotten in all this talk. Geoff MacDonald of Woodleigh Bullets wrote me a few years ago (May 2008) when I began using his 310s in my 35 Whelens and other rifles to advise, "You need a 12" twist to stabilise them in the Whelan..." I know myself of some 16 twists that won't stabilize 300s - especially past 100yds - so I think he's right - to be sure of stability in flight. This makes a 12 twist a viable choice - perhaps the best choice for some - for a 35 Whelen rifle.
Also I think about all tight twist 30s and 6.5s used by the long range crowd - in the 7" to 9" range. Are they also spikey and unjustified - "uncalled for"? Remember the 244Rem which got a much needed improvement to become the 6mm Rem when it got a tighter twist to handle "heavy-for-caliber" bullets - and never looked back I think.
Guess we disagree - agreeably I hope. I got nothin more to say on the subject here - said my piece - done and done. I got waaaay to much time on my hands it seems.
Wow flick - you are just so way out there. My brain isn't big enough - I can only begin to evaluate your thoughts. I'll be a while understanding your response - if I ever do. Sounds like you know alot about physics though. I got the "I doubt it matters much" and that powder burn rate does matter in relation to bullet weight as you postulate - with which I concur.
Regards all.
There is nothing remotely "spikey" (jekyl and hyde) in real world shooting of 12 twists at all. I had two 12 twists out this month (350WSM and 350RemMag - near ballistic twin to the 35Whelen - incidentally I reload and shoot several 14 and many 16 twists too in 35cal). So I chronyed them up to max and both were very predictable as always as I increased my loads to near max - nothing "spikey". But I'll concede as you say that a max pressure may be reached with a very slightly less powder charge. So "theoretically" that may mean less velocity out the door. But it is so slight as to be meaningless in the real world of the 35 Whelen which is a very efficient cartridge. After all - for this discussion - it's the pressure itself moving out the bullet not the weight of the charge used to create the pressure. When you pontificate categorically that a 12 twist 35Whelen is no good it's like adding a drop of water to the oceans of the world and then arguing there is more water there now - it may be true but is statistically and practically meaningless.
Finally, a 12 twist may vastly improve the flight characteristics of a heavy weight 35 Whelen bullet - especially past 100 yds in some 35s - which is the main point which gets forgotten in all this talk. Geoff MacDonald of Woodleigh Bullets wrote me a few years ago (May 2008) when I began using his 310s in my 35 Whelens and other rifles to advise, "You need a 12" twist to stabilise them in the Whelan..." I know myself of some 16 twists that won't stabilize 300s - especially past 100yds - so I think he's right - to be sure of stability in flight. This makes a 12 twist a viable choice - perhaps the best choice for some - for a 35 Whelen rifle.
Also I think about all tight twist 30s and 6.5s used by the long range crowd - in the 7" to 9" range. Are they also spikey and unjustified - "uncalled for"? Remember the 244Rem which got a much needed improvement to become the 6mm Rem when it got a tighter twist to handle "heavy-for-caliber" bullets - and never looked back I think.
Guess we disagree - agreeably I hope. I got nothin more to say on the subject here - said my piece - done and done. I got waaaay to much time on my hands it seems.
Wow flick - you are just so way out there. My brain isn't big enough - I can only begin to evaluate your thoughts. I'll be a while understanding your response - if I ever do. Sounds like you know alot about physics though. I got the "I doubt it matters much" and that powder burn rate does matter in relation to bullet weight as you postulate - with which I concur.
Regards all.
