For those needing a 9.3

Well, I went digging in my gunsafe to look for the gun to sacrifice to the 9.3 god. Don't really see anything there. Dad is going to lay claim to the 1909 Argy in 6mm for the yote infestation, my Brno 21H in 7 Mauser is too classic to violate. I have a Browning high power safari coming in, but it may become the 300H&H someday. Now I have to get another gun!:rolleyes: :D

First off, I only fired Ike's 9.3 once or twice, think it was a Sauer(?). Quite different from what I am used to shooting for a bolt gun. It is a very nice gun, he has added a mercury recoil reducer to tame it a bit. Those Norma factory rounds still scared the crap out of me! Must have been the seats at the range being way too high so you really have to hunch down to shoot with my site vice.

Boonerbuck, what is the recoil of one of these 9.3x66's like compared to a 375 H&H? I don't want to have to worry about the stock cracking.

I am thinking a Brno ZG-47 would be a very nice platform but I am open to suggestions, as long as it is based on a 98 Mauser action. The new stuff just doesn't turn my crank anymore. I love the look of a double square bridge Mauser, would need a 24" tube and some talley QD's and safari style iron sites.:) I am sure the little items will continue to come together as I look around a bit more. Would like to hear what you guy's would suggest.
 
Wow, thanks for all the ideas guys!
Snow Dog, I have not fondled a CZ in a few years, and will take a look at them. Cheers!
I do want to keep the weight to a minimum for the long days afield.

Beaver Skin, looks like we may be in a race for a ZG.:p I have had a couple Win 70's in the pre 64 action. The only challenge with them is they have a bit more collector status and command a bigger price. Their bonus is enough mag length to go all the way to 375H&H.:) I looked real hard at a model 54 Winchester in June. It was in pretty good shape. It wasn't tapped for a scope yet and I'd hate to do that.:redface:

Ted, which 9.3 is your Winny chambered for?

Bak4, I will go check out Ellwoods, haven't been there for awhile.
Cheers guys!


Noel
 
Noel said:
1. comparable to a 375 H&H which I packed for a couple years and enjoyed quite a bit.

2. that even John Taylor considered the equal of a 375 H&H.

3. BTW, one load I found was a 250gr Ballistic tip, 2800+:eek: Another is the 286gr going around 2650+.
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1. Nonsense

2. Nonsense

3. Nonsense at sane pressures

If you just must have one, buy it. It's a bit more than the 35 Whelen which is suitable for about anything that is hunted in Canada. Just please don't line up with those who say it is everything (and more) that the 375 H&H is.
 
Andy said:
1. Nonsense

2. Nonsense

3. Nonsense at sane pressures

If you just must have one, buy it. It's a bit more than the 35 Whelen which is suitable for about anything that is hunted in Canada. Just please don't line up with those who say it is everything (and more) that the 375 H&H is.
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Andy, have you ever used one?

The 9.3X62 is noticeably much more than a 35 Whelen. I have used both the 9.3 and the 375 cartridges for more than thirty years, and shot several tons of big game with each. There is essentially no difference in the two rifles in killing power.

Theoretically, the 375 might do it all a liitle farther out, however that would be very difficult to prove in my experience. I have killed several animals at around three hundred yards with the 9.3 and none of them stayed up more than a few seconds.

Of the several dozen moose, bear and big mountain caribou I have killed at close range, it is my distinct impression that there is simply no difference between the two. I have never had to follow up on an animal using either cartridge.

Ted
 
Why not? said:
Andy, have you ever used one?

The 9.3X62 is noticeably much more than a 35 Whelen. I have used both the 9.3 and the 375 cartridges for more than thirty years, and shot several tons of big game with each. There is essentially no difference in the two rifles in killing power.

Theoretically, the 375 might do it all a liitle farther out, however that would be very difficult to prove in my experience. I have killed several animals at around three hundred yards with the 9.3 and none of them stayed up more than a few seconds.

Of the several dozen moose, bear and big mountain caribou I have killed at close range, it is my distinct impression that there is simply no difference between the two. I have never had to follow up on an animal using either cartridge.

Ted
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Ted I don't imagine you can be told anything, but please, not the old, "I have shot several <insert animal here> and it kills just as dead as the <insert cartridge here>" crap as proof. Anyone could just as easily say that the 25/06 is as good as the 375 H&H from their same experiences. In fact two years ago I shot a deer at 190 yds with my 25/06 and it fell as fast as the one killed the previous year at 50 yds with my 375 H&H. That proves nothing.

Unless the laws of physics are different for 9.3x62 shooters, it is impossible for it to shoot the same bullet weight as fast as the 375 H&H at the same pressure. That's a fact beyond dispute.
 
Andy said:
Unless the laws of physics are different for 9.3x62 shooters, it is impossible for it to shoot the same bullet weight as fast as the 375 H&H at the same pressure. That's a fact beyond dispute.
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Andy, we agree. :D

However I never said that the same bullet weights can be shot at the same speed. I said that the 9.3X62 kills as well as the 375 at close range, and in the few instances I have used them both at long range, both have dispatched animals with aplomb.

Again, have you ever shot anything with either cartridge?

Ted
 
So we are in violent agreement - cool. I get a bit irritated when people suggest that a smaller case in a smaller bore is everything ballistically as is another one larger in both regards. I agree that the 9.3x62 is entirely adequate for just about everything in Canada in just about every situation, and for practical purposes if you have one, you don't need a 375 H&H (unless you want to hit the big bears). I'd say the same about the 35 Whelen, but that's another thread I'd best avoid.

I do not have a 9.3x62. I do have a 35 Whelen and a 375 H&H (and something in just about every other caliber below that, plus a 458 Win Mag). Shot only paper with the 35 Whelen (got it last month) and deer with the 375 H&H. I intend to use the 35 Whelen this fall and hope to have a good report to pass on. I suspect I will not be dissapointed.

Why not? said:
Andy, we agree. :D

However I never said that the same bullet weights can be shot at the same speed. I said that the 9.3X62 kills as well as the 375 at close range, and in the few instances I have used them both at long range, both have dispatched animals with aplomb.

Again, have you ever shot anything with either cartridge?

Ted
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Why not? said:
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The 9.3X62 is noticeably much more than a 35 Whelen. I have used both the 9.3 and the 375 cartridges for more than thirty years, and shot several tons of big game with each. There is essentially no difference in the two rifles in killing power.
Ted
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The 35 Whelen has ~72 gr capacity and 358 bore. The 9.3x62 has ~76 gr capacity and 366 bore. The 375 H&H has ~96 gr capacity and 375 bore.

So how is the 9.3x62 noticeably much more than a 35 Whelen (4 gr more capacity and 8 thou bigger diameter) yet there is noticeably no difference between it and the 375 H&H, which has 20 gr more capacity and 9 thou bigger bore.

I have shot a fair bit of large game with a 375 H&H, and would certainly not try to tell anyone that the same hits with a 9.3x63 would have failed, but I find it odd that you would find that the 35 Whelen, which is far closer to the 9.3x62 than the 9.3x62 is to the 375H&H ballistically, is a noticeably lesser cartridge.
 
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rgv said:
The 35 Whelen has ~72 gr capacity and 358 bore. The 9.3x62 has ~76 gr capacity and 366 bore. The 375 H&H has ~96 gr capacity and 375 bore.

So how is the 9.3x62 noticeably much more than a 35 Whelen (4 gr more capacity and 8 thou bigger diameter) yet there is noticeably no difference between it and the 375 H&H, which has 20 gr more capacity and 9 thou bigger bore.

I have shot a fair bit of large game with a 375 H&H, and would certainly not try to tell anyone that the same hits with a 9.3x63 would have failed, but I find it odd that you would find that the 35 Whelen, which is far closer to the 9.3x62 than the 9.3x62 is to the 375H&H ballistically, is a noticeably lesser cartridge.
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Wow, looks like a fire has started since I last had a break at work!

Andy, I was not making the 9.3x62 anymore than what I have read and found. That is why I posted the thread here to find out. We have been talking about three different cases, the 62, 66Sako and the 64 Brenneke.

The specific loads I mentioned are not even for the 9.3x62. Those are loads from the loaddata.com website regarding the 9.3x64, an entirely different animal. It is basically a 300 Win mag, less a belt and a bit shorter, and of course necked up to .366". I am sure I don't have to tell you this as you obviously have more experience than I do, but I just want to clarify it for everyone here I have no intention of loading the 62mm case to those kind of pressures.

Thank you for stopping by to offer your info!
 
The 9.3x62 is about 100 fps faster than a .35 or .375 in a 30/06 case or the .375/284.Not enough to write home about.Ballistic data from Europe are mostly from longer than standard barrels for the 9.3x62.The .375 H&H with modern loads will outperform any of the above mentioned calibers by about 350 fps with a 250 gr. bullet.-Rainer
 
It would help if I was a little better at organizing my facts, it would save getting some riled up.

Is there no one around with the Brenneke chambered 9.3x64?????
I must seek out Dan, surely he has had one.
 
I do indeed have a Steyr chambered in 9.3x64 and it is definately equal to the 375H&H with the added bonus of needing less powder to drive it to the same velocity and with a higher "Sectional Density"wich makes bullets penetrate deeper,which we all know.The 9.3x64 case is as modern as tomorrow and there are not many cartridges around that can match the efficiency of the 9.3 Brenneke,definately not the 375H&H.I have used the 9.3x64 for nearly 2 decades now and it is pretty obvious that i am its biggest fan.By the way,i've got an e-mail from Hornady and they confirm that they will be making 9.3x64 and 74 brass by next year and also the birth of a 9.3mm bullet,although they are still uncertain about the bullet weight.Also Nosler is making 9.3x62 brass now as well as 74 brass and loaded rounds as well.
 
Varminter, we need details on your Brenneke!:eek: :D

Did you get this riggin built?

What have you done for brass to this point and how much $$$?

I knew someone would pull through for us. I gotta go get my piggy bank out, I feel a spending spree coming on!!:)

Noel
 
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