Freedom Ordance FX9 All of the Sudden Consistent Feed Issues with Federal HST 147gr

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Hey there:

Not sure what to check here, or maybe nothing...

For the longest time, no issues feeding Federal 9mm HST 147gr in my FX9, through various mags.

Today at my club, I loaded up HSTs again in my Glock 10 rounder, PMAG 10 rounder, and Pro Mag 10 rounder. All had consistent feed problems 4-5 rounds in - looks like round is stuck somewhat diagonally and cannot be chambered. I just had to pull the charging handle out and give the gun a shake when turned to the right to eject the stuck round.

I then ran through Syntech 147gr TSJ on all my mags (about 60 rounds overall) without a single feed issue. Then loaded more HSTs and back to intermittent feed issues.

I didn't have any other hollowpoints on me to check, but will bring some more next time. In the meantime, anyone want to hazard to guess why all of the sudden I am experiencing feed problems? The issue when it jams is always the same - from the ejection port I can see that the round has the back of the cartridge in the 10 o'clock position where as the nose of the HP bullet is at the 4 o'clock position.

It never did this before on these HSTs (and I have run hundreds of them in periodic testing), so either something has changed in the gun or I ran into a bad batch (I am doubtful on the latter).

Any suggestions would be helpful. I will bring different hollowpoints next week to test, but I'd like to know why it's doing this all of the sudden.

Thanks in advance for any ideas or feedback.
 
I second the deep clean for the gun and mags. So much gunk gets everywhere with a blowback. Reminds me I need to get more gun scrubber.
Is your gun a Gen 2?
 
toxic said:
I second the deep clean for the gun and mags. So much gunk gets everywhere with a blowback. Reminds me I need to get more gun scrubber.
Is your gun a Gen 2?
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Yes a Gen2
I will re clean it. Cleaned it the same as I have previously. I agree it gets dirty fast but enough to cause feed issues with only hollow points? Certainly I am befuddled enough to not rule out anything.

I did look up past posts and saw an old post from 2018 in which Wolverine indicated some hollow points don't feed as well in the FX9. Rather than reopening an old thread I did contact Wolverine to see if they could elaborate on what their experience has been insofar as what works better and what doesn't.
 
clean the mags. if the mags, springs, or rounds are gummy it will slow the magazine down. the bolt whips back and the round is depressed and doesn't pop up fast enough when the bolt returns for stubbier bullets to feed right.
 
Yeah if it worked fine with those hollowpoints before, and if nothing is broken now, it's probably (hopefully) just a fouling issue. Aside from cleaning the obvious, make sure you clean the mag well, mag release, and magazines inside and out.

The other possibility is that it's one or more points of wear (hopefully not), and your FX9 has worn-in to the point where tolerances are stacking just so, and it just won't ever feed that ammo right again. Will it feed if you release the bolt manually on a half-empty magazine?

While you're at it, I'd try it with a virgin magazine just to rule out wear to mag lips/followers/springs. If it always/only happens at 4-5 rounds in to each mag, it could be mag spring tension is at least part of the problem.
 
Thanks all. I will give the re-cleaning a go. Certainly the advantage of the FX9 is that the take down is so super easy. The only I haven't cleaned since receiving it repaired back from Wolverine for bolt catch issues, is removing the bolt catch and cleaning it - I can't see how that would impact feed issues, though.

If the Syntech rounds jammed on feeding as well, then it would be easier to isolate the problem. If it's only the HSTs, my initial thought is maybe it's the shape of the hollowpoints. I should have run my Syntech Defense (bullet is TSJ and more rounded)and Critical Defense rounds (much more pointy) - I will do this this weekend when I am at the club next.

I will also try a new magazine on the rounds. That is a good point.

I did get back a note from Wolverine regarding my inquiry. They indicated the feed issues on the FX9 hollowpoints are really isolated to the first generation of the carbine. The G2s (which I have) should not have these issues, presuming they have had a diet of their recommended "break in" 115gr rounds put through there (which I did years ago).

As always thanks all for your input.
 
Unlike the Raven9, the FX9 has a feed ramp and the barrel is well throated. I suspect it likely is a case of sticky mags and in particular the magfollower. If you went quite awhile using HP ammo and they fed like butter.there is no reason they should not continue to do so. Try ordinary RNFP ammo. If they feed well.....
I'm going out to the range tomorrow. I have a few HST's and see if they wull run in my FX9..

I just load RN bullets due to my Raven9 puking on any form of FP or HP ammo.

Take Care
Bob
 
thegazelle I ended up testing some truncated bullets in my FX9 yesterday. I had several nose up jams and double feeds using them. The nose is very similar to your HST's There was no consistency. I would go thru two mags no issues then jam then ok then jam. I just run RN bullets now even though my FX9 will eat 147gr RNFP bullets just fine. I hope this helps.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
thegazelle I ended up testing some truncated bullets in my FX9 yesterday. I had several nose up jams and double feeds using them. The nose is very similar to your HST's There was no consistency. I would go thru two mags no issues then jam then ok then jam. I just run RN bullets now even though my FX9 will eat 147gr RNFP bullets just fine. I hope this helps.

Take Care

Bob
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Thanks Bob. Through which magazines did you run your truncated rounds? Are they native 10 rounder Glock OEM, native 10 rounder Glock compatible or any manner of pinned Glock compatible. It really doesn't sound like the magazines make a difference, and if yours had inconsistent performance, it's unlikely a cleaning regimen issue.

I am getting some Hornady 147gr Custom XTPs Thursday but will be at my club Wednesday to run whatever else that is not HST and not Gold Dot, that is in my stash. If few of the other HPs run, then that is a real disappointment insofar as someone using the FX9 for home care scenarios.
 
thegazelle said:
Thanks Bob. Through which magazines did you run your truncated rounds? Are they native 10 rounder Glock OEM, native 10 rounder Glock compatible or any manner of pinned Glock compatible. It really doesn't sound like the magazines make a difference, and if yours had inconsistent performance, it's unlikely a cleaning regimen issue.

I am getting some Hornady 147gr Custom XTPs Thursday but will be at my club Wednesday to run whatever else that is not HST and not Gold Dot, that is in my stash. If few of the other HPs run, then that is a real disappointment insofar as someone using the FX9 for home care scenarios.
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One Glock 17 10 rounder two SHK 10/32 mags and one other Korean 10/32 mag. The latter three are the only mags I have that reliably hold the bolt back. The Glock mag I use for a Barny mag when loading at IDPA matches. I have more SHK mags coming upfrom the US as soon as I head south to pick them up. I don't use my PCC's for any home defence situation I have other options so I am happy just running RN bullets thru the gun. They work always and the cardboard targets die just as quick.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
One Glock 17 10 rounder two SHK 10/32 mags and one other Korean 10/32 mag. The latter three are the only mags I have that reliably hold the bolt back. The Glock mag I use for a Barny mag when loading at IDPA matches. I have more SHK mags coming upfrom the US as soon as I head south to pick them up. I don't use my PCC's for any home defence situation I have other options so I am happy just running RN bullets thru the gun. They work always and the cardboard targets die just as quick.

Take Care

Bob
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Well, after sending my gun to Wolverine, I have had zero issues with the last round bolt hold open, irrespective of magazine or round type.

The hollowpoints not feeding reliably through this thing is disappointing. My FPC runs any type of round, bullet type, grain, etc. Not a single jam. Ever. The FX9 has better controls and cleaning, superior take down time. All of those features and advantages seem to lose some luster when the thing doesn't feed the ammo I am needing it to feed. Such is life, I guess.

Wish that the JP5 was available in Canada.
 
i took a look and it appears that the feedramp on the fx9 is a separate part. you could go at it with a dremmel and open it up a bit. i had to go something similar on an ar build. if you ruin it it appears easy enough to replace. it doesn't take removing a lot of material to make a big difference. give it a polish afterwards.
 
Mine still won't lock back with Glock mags unless I modify them ant that is a PITA. So far the only carbines I own or did on were
Cx4 Storm
Cz Scorpion
Ruger PCC
Those are the only ones who have not experienced a jam or were picky when it comes to ammo and locking back.
The Fx 9 was and remains the most disappointing. The Raven9 is dead nuts reliable with RN bullets. Anything else ...nope.
My CX4 has been perfect in every respect. With RN bullets and if the last bat h of firing pins don't break the Raven9 would be me keeper design followed by the Storm and Skorpion.

Take Care

Bob
 
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