Friggin Remingtons (RANT)!

Yup as good as mine shoots, I'm gonna swap it out too someday as I hate cleaning also. If I didn't have a pet peeve about leaving a dirty barreled gun in the cabinet I wouldn't worry about it though. I guess I need to be more like my Dad, he's never cleaned a rifle I think? (LOL)!!!
 
If people used borescopes before they bought factory rifles, they would never buy them. There is an excellent video that demonstrates the typical Remington barrel compared to a custom lapped barrel.

at one part in that video the narrator mentions that the grooves have rounded corners when looking at the poor quality barrel. Why would a sharp corner be preferred? Is it just easier to make a consistant 90 degree corner compared to a radiused edge? Or is there more to it?
 
I too have experienced Remingtons poor Qc as of late. I was excited at their
anouncement of chambering .257 Wby. When rifles started arriving at a local dealer I rushed down to get pick of the litter. From 4 guns to choose from I went home empty handed! All had some kind of issue. Rough crown, galled raceway, One even had a shot action magazine follower.

It's too bad but Remmy has gone for S#$T.
 
Well to my suprize the gun shot well!

I can not understand this, but it shot very well.

Doesn't surprise me at all bro.:D

Keep an eye on the jacket fouling..Look here first if accuracy goes away.
Leave Wipe-Out in the bore overnight every now and then...It will come clean in the morning.

Over the years I have owned Remington rifles with slightly to significantly bent barrels, crude rifling, and other misc defects, but they all have one thing in common....They shoot very well.
My 300 Win Sendero would hold right around an inch at 350yards....To look at the barrel or to push a patch through it you would swear it was junk.

Back in the day I owned a particularly rough and nasty old Olympic Arms barreled 340 Wby that would regularly make sub 1/2 holes at 100 yards and sub 3/4 inch holes at 200 yards....There is more to good accuracy than a match barrel.
 
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You know, if you want a match-grade rifle that's kept pace with inflation, there are plenty of 5K+ manufacturers out there...

I think there are many 5K plus rifles out there, but few are true match grade.

at one part in that video the narrator mentions that the grooves have rounded corners when looking at the poor quality barrel. Why would a sharp corner be preferred? Is it just easier to make a consistant 90 degree corner compared to a radiused edge? Or is there more to it?

There is no difference as long as the rifling is consistent. It is the normal practice of a few companies to make barrels with deliberately rounded or canted rifling. If the rifling changes dimension along the barrel, the bullet will be affected, gases can bypass and the jacket dimensions will now be asymmetrical; as the bullet is rotating at very high RPM and this will affect its flight characteristics.
 
Buy a Remington if you plan of spinning off the barrel and getting a smith to spin on a precision barrel.

Buy a Savage if you plan to leave it factory.

I shoot both.
 
I'm going to pick up my $1650 remington 700 at the post office tomorrow morning..... I wish I hadn't read this thread....
If people used borescopes before they bought factory rifles, they would never buy them. There is an excellent video that demonstrates the typical Remington barrel compared to a custom lapped barrel.

It doesn't mean they won't shoot, but it does show that "breaking them in" is basically futile. Chatting with the guys on Team Savage, they said that Savage barrels are pretty scary to look at too.

There is no difference between the barrels used on the Cheapest SPS and the most expensive CDL's or 5r's; they're all crudely machined. That's why I think it is a waste of money to buy expensive Remingtons. For barrels that are supposedly hammer-forged, they sure are shyte compared to Sako/Tikka
:kickInTheNuts: Wish you had mentioned that in my thread.....
 
Buy a Remington if you plan of spinning off the barrel and getting a smith to spin on a precision barrel.

Buy a Savage if you plan to leave it factory.

I shoot both.

Have you owned Remington rifles that don't shoot or are you just talking out of your hat??

Yes Savage has nicer finished barrels, but then you are stuck with the clunky Salvage action.....Running the bolt on a Savage is like trying to work the lid on a steel garbage can....At least rebarreling a Remington is a worthwhile endeavor.
 
I'm going to pick up my $1650 remington 700 at the post office tomorrow morning..... I wish I hadn't read this thread....

:kickInTheNuts: Wish you had mentioned that in my thread.....

Don't worry about it. Get some Federal Gold 168 ammo and have at it. When you're shooting sub .5 moa, you really aren't going to give damn.
 
Cheer up Wally! At least you have the basis for a great rifle once you grow tired of the barrel you get with it. Yours could very well shoot like a house on fire, or it might not. There is something to be said for the esthetics of the shiny bolts and the nice stocks they put them in, although I can't stand sporter stocks for anything except hunting. ;)
 
Have you owned Remington rifles that don't shoot or are you just talking out of your hat??

Yes Savage has nicer finished barrels, but then you are stuck with the clunky Salvage action.....Running the bolt on a Savage is like trying to work the lid on a steel garbage can....At least rebarreling a Remington is a worthwhile endeavor.

I just received a Model 12 and the action is anything but clunky.
 
Have you owned Remington rifles that don't shoot or are you just talking out of your hat??

Yes Savage has nicer finished barrels, but then you are stuck with the clunky Salvage action.....Running the bolt on a Savage is like trying to work the lid on a steel garbage can....At least rebarreling a Remington is a worthwhile endeavor.

Quick question. I do agree that the "#### on open" design of the Savage makes for a less than glassy smooth operation but what difference does it make? I'm seriously interested in why the action must be "Weatherby" smooth?

TDC
 
I have looked down quite a few barrels with a borescope. It can tell very easily if the bore is clean or not. It will usually tell you why a barrel is shooting bad BUT I have found no way to tell if a barrel will shoot. My father has a 303 Jungle Carbine. The bore is as rough as any military barrel I have seen but It will shoot cast bullets into 1" at 100 yds. Go figger!
 
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