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Frog Lube Question
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This!
The military does their testing for their requirements which may or may not be the same as civilians. As far as the police departments are concerned,given their usage, they might be more concerned about a good rust inhibitor as opposed to any lubrication requirements.
Let's not over think this. Do you clean your guns after each range trip? Most of us do, cuz guns are expensive and the money for them comes out of our pockets not someone else s.
Do tests involving firing 5K of rounds between cleanings mean anything to me?....Nope! See I clean and oil my guns often after 200 rounds or less depending on how much shooting I did at the range. I am willing to bet most do.
So what do I use what ever gun oil I got at the last goodie bag at the last match I attended. When it is gone I'll go back to some motor oil. 10 - 30 or whatever CT has on sale. If the damn stuff lubricates the pistons in my vehicle at 4K rpm it should be able to manage lubricating my guns...just saying.
Take Care
Bob
Just opened up my Tikka M695 that I stored last year with Frog lube applied. Just imagine my horror when I was picking out gummy waxy chunks of rust from between the stock and receiver. Yes, I applied it properly. No, I will not use it again.
No CLP formula does all 3 things great....
Breakfree for example is a decent lube, decent rust protection, but ####ty cleaner.
Frog lube seems to be a decent cleaner, OK lube, but not the best for rust protection. Really for a year of storage, you would need a heavy automotive grease or cosmoline for rust protection, especially in a basement or somewhere damp. No gun oil will provide guaranteed protection. Also if stored in a foam padded case that will almost always trap moisture and guarantee rust if something heavy isn't used.
Breakfree for example is a decent lube, decent rust protection, but ####ty cleaner.
Frog lube seems to be a decent cleaner, OK lube, but not the best for rust protection. Really for a year of storage, you would need a heavy automotive grease or cosmoline for rust protection, especially in a basement or somewhere damp. No gun oil will provide guaranteed protection. Also if stored in a foam padded case that will almost always trap moisture and guarantee rust if something heavy isn't used.
I sometimes wipe the rain off mine before I case it - does that count?
Clobbersauras
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Perhaps most of the guys you likley see are Glock owners and we all know Glocks don't need cleaning. I do just because and why not. One of the local IPSC shooters pays $45 for a qualifier , drives for an hour to play here and has his 1911 jam up because he didn't clean the gun the last time he shot and the gun was dry. $100 vs $.02 worth of gun oil and 10 minute of time.
On the other hand I shot revolver for most of the year and I end up cleaning the damn gun during the match, never mind after. Any revolver shooter who claims they are more reliable than a pistol doesn't shoot often enough.:>)
Take Care
Bob
I just checked my log book and my match gun hasn't been cleaned in 2200 rounds, lubed a few times but that's it. Backup gun is over 4200 rounds since it was last cleaned, although I think I wiped the rails a few times when I lubed it. All CZ's, my Glocks I don't track anymore, but it's been many many thousands for them.
Lubing is the key but that said you likely shoot plated or FMJ rounds. Shooting lead boolits brings lube fouling into the equation and maybe you could go 4,200 rounds without cleaning your CZ. but I doubt it. My comment wasn't so much whether you need to clean your guns but rather if you do. Oiling those CZ's will keep them running while dirty. Whether someone wants to do that or not is pretty much up to them. I would not recommend doing it mostly because it proves nothing and may set you up for and interesting experience at the wrong moment.
I doubt my GP - 100 or 686 would go 500 rounds of 38spl before the cylinder would either be impossible to close or simply not turn.
Take Care
Bob
I find that funny, Militec is like the frog lube of 2003/2004.
Militec had a special "treatment process" just like FL. It was touted to be the best thing since sliced bread and outperforming CLP in every class.
It apparently made guns more accurate and "fell better", straight from the Militec website that one.
It isn't a bad lube just not some wonder lube that does anything much better then anything else.
How has Militec-1 been holding up for corrosion prevention? Apparently it doesn't do so well in that sector.
As far as lube testing goes, anything that hasn't passed 63460E basically is ridding all their claims on some youtube videos and forums commandos.
I don't like chemical smells and my daughter is particularly sensitive to them. So frog lube is great for me. Also I think all this lube argument is nonsense, its kinda like all these AR guys obsessing about the furniture and colour of the their accessories. Its just lube.
Yes and the Glock fan club hasn't risen to the occasion to tell us about the Glock torture tests and the fact they never lube their guns....ever just a throw back to obsolete models that should be discarded for Glocks.
Take Care
Bob
Miltec vs FP 10 aka Shooters Choice if you want a retro argument
I always FL my Glocks, while getting real hot when shooting them, i always have a rag handy to remove the excess FL that is coming out, after shooting, on drop of FL in the barrel, couple of stroke of a nylon brush and it's all... My 3 Glocks seen at leat one K each of ammo since the last FL... It's all good... JP.
CreamySmooth
CGN frequent flyer
I still use MPro on most things as I like it and it seems to stick. I'm trying Frog Lube now to see how it goes. I'm open to trying. With it being a paste I like it for use for long term storage. What else do guys use for storage?
it has been proven that frog lube does not work for this. just saying.
For long term storage, I use TW25b. And in the bore, I use the Mpro7 copper remover, if you do not take it off after applying it creates a protective film (this is actually another feature of the product -not something I invented or improvised-.
Cheers.
For long term storage, I use TW25b. And in the bore, I use the Mpro7 copper remover, if you do not take it off after applying it creates a protective film (this is actually another feature of the product -not something I invented or improvised-.
Cheers.
TacticalTeacher
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Well one thing is for sure. EZ
Specially after ten pages of posts on lubes...
If you don't lube yer guns, yer #### will fall off! That's the innernet fer ya!
Just keeping it light around here!
Cheers
Barney
Specially after ten pages of posts on lubes...
If you don't lube yer guns, yer #### will fall off! That's the innernet fer ya!
Just keeping it light around here!
Cheers
Barney
I actually like the stuff but would not use it for storage at all. It's water based, meaning if you had it in a place that didn't get much air circulation, and it separated, you could end up with a gob of water just pressed up against your metal parts.
I use the paste for cleaning parts, and the liquid for lubrication, but would use petroleum based for any long term storage or heavy use.
