Furlong Dethroned?????

I think its tabloid bulls**t. A 338 can shoot that far yes but to do it on a first round hit?? then again on another guy and then the hit the machine gun...really?
I duno, but it I'm not mistaken the standard 338 round is a 250gr bullet; that bullet that far takes a lot of MOA. As far as I'm concerned Furlong still has the record.
 
TJW said:
I think its tabloid bulls**t. A 338 can shoot that far yes but to do it on a first round hit?? then again on another guy and then the hit the machine gun...really?
I duno, but it I'm not mistaken the standard 338 round is a 250gr bullet; that bullet that far takes a lot of MOA. As far as I'm concerned Furlong still has the record.
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For the record. I have the same AI rig, base and scope. Based on my data and dope...it is doable ie...the equipment can do it. As far as power of the scope. 25 x is going to be roughly the same as naked eye at 100m....so again...doable.

As far as cold bore first round hit...that makes it even more incredible. I think it would make more sense if he already engaged a target in the general area earlier and had the data or very close. It would make the most sense...but would not make a jazzy new story for the tabloid...now would it?
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
I could have missed a comment or two in all this reading but no one has brought up the fact that being able to get your crosshairs onto a target that far away is near impossible. I'll try to take a picture through my scope set on 25power with something human sized at 2700yds the next time I go out just to give the forum an idea of how far away that this and what a human looks like at that distance.

That aside, bullet drop could be also factored in if these snipers are on a mountain top looking down at a compound which would definitely help out with bullet drop BUT would complicate the s**t out of making as many hits as he did.

Bottom line still. You can't hit what you can't see so hopefully I'll get out this weekend and snap of shot of a brave soul that is willing to get infront of my sites at 2700yds. I've never shot quite that far so I'm curious to see what things look like at that distance too.
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Furlongs shot was made with a fixed 16 power Mark 4 Leupold scope, that was a confirmed shot, why not these guys with a higher power, a bit further but it can be done.
 
CV32 said:
Clarified as 45 MOA, and shown as being specified for the 5-25 S&B by Sporting Services here (about 3/4 of the way down the page):

http://www.sportingservices.co.uk/accessories.asp
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Wicked site - I should've gotten an AI for the accessories alone! :eek: I wish they had a bipod friction lock for the AI-style (PH style actually :p) bipod, but the one that's installed with a handstop, not the one that plugs into the stock directly...

MagnumPeanut said:
I was thinking the same. How could he tell he got a gut shot and a side shot at 25 power?
They would look like specs at that range wouldn't they?
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Probably by the spotter :confused: If he had a 60x spotting scope, it would be possible. My friend had lended me his sniper book by this British guy which had the full British Army sniper kit in it - don't remember the specifics but they were well equipped, that much I remember. Like a 10K$+ rangefinder/spotter combo scope or something to that effect.

EC said:
Furlongs shot was made with a fixed 16 power Mark 4 Leupold scope, that was a confirmed shot, why not these guys with a higher power, a bit further but it can be done.
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Good point. In my completely unqualified opinion, I'd say some details were probably left out of this story, such as him possibly engaging at a similar distance just before, but this may have actually happened. He might have just been "in the zone" that day - it's all happened to us.

It'd make for one hell of a "Mythbusters" episode at any rate, although Kari ain't that hot now that she's preggers.
 
What Morpheus32 said. (25X at 2475m is the same as 1X at 100m; so the image size you can see with your unaided eye at 100m, is about what you'd see through a 25X scope at 2500m. So I think the possibility of the shooter being able to see his own shot hit, and also to evaluate it as a gut shot, is pretty plausible actually).

As for a first-shot hit, while you might not expect it, it is what you try for with every first shot that you make. And some of the time, it happens. While most of your planning should surround how to spot a first shot miss and correct from it, some small part of the planning ought to surround the possibility of a first shot hit and what to do in that case.
 
Big deal, Billy Dixon shot an Indian off his horse using a iron sight buffalo gun 50-90, 1538 yards over 135 years ago
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At the Second Battle of Adobe Walls, in June 1874, Billy Dixon shot an Indian at a range of 1538 yd, give or take just a few. A computer analysis of this trajectory indicates that the bullet drop would have been 3823.8 in., the time of flight 4.838 s, and the windage adjustment would have been 337.8 in.
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according to what I can find Mr Dixon never claimed credit for an aimed shot .. apparently said it was lucky. Probably most good shots would say it was luck if they were challenged to do that a second time. Imagine .. a trajectory reaching 318ft and allowing for 28 feet of windage and almost 5 seconds of flight time...with iron sights - and a borrowed rifle. Makes you want to go out and buy a Sharps just to fondle it:D
 
Lucky or not, Billy was a humble man, received the Congressional Medal of Honor for his efforts. My point of the post was no high power magnums or modern optics were required for long shots of yesteryear. Just skill and sometimes luck. Well my next rifle will be a Sharps, 45-70 #1 Sporter, all gussied up of course:p
 
As I understand it two enemy combatants will not live to fight another day, perhaps that is the more important headline...being able to execute this level of precision under combat circumstances is nothing short of amazing.

Hard to say about the exact range of these shots however being able to do this even at half the claimed distance under those conditions is a major feat....
 
As others have mentioned the hitting the MG is the questionable part of the story. There's not much to hit. Take a look at one. It may look large but draw a circle around it equal to the rifle's MOA and you will see there's alot of air in that circle. Which way was the gun actually pointing? Broadside it's a pretty small target. Now if it's pointing directly at you... You could be the greatest shot ever spawned, shoot all day at that gun at that range and not make a single hit! I'll buy a one shot hit at that range. I'll even agree that it's not that unlikely he hit the next guy with the next shot. Next he hit the MG? Now the story gets smelly. He may have pulled this off, and if so good on him. The story as told is embellished at best.
 
AP said:
according to what I can find Mr Dixon never claimed credit for an aimed shot .. apparently said it was lucky. Probably most good shots would say it was luck if they were challenged to do that a second time. Imagine .. a trajectory reaching 318ft and allowing for 28 feet of windage and almost 5 seconds of flight time...with iron sights - and a borrowed rifle. Makes you want to go out and buy a Sharps just to fondle it:D
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My information is slightly different, although I cannot vouch for its authenticity, I believe it was based on the information in Billy Dixon's memoirs, written at the insistence of his wife. Apparently Comanche Chief Quanah Parker was sitting on his horse on the same hill side that Billy Dixon used for long range target shooting, so he was shooting at a known distance. Billy was an enthusiastic long range marksman and experimenter, who had the very best equipment and powder available at the time. In his memoirs he states that he was shooting at a group of mounted horsemen, rather than a specific target. Billy thought he had killed his man, but evidently the shot broke his arm, but it took him out of the fight all the same.
 
Well I just spent 6 hours at Heathrow airport getting ragged on by a bunch of brits who believe it is true....Whatever....either way there was some good shooting going on and the right guys got hurt...
 
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