NavyShooter
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Ah, from the LW forums:
Future Weapons LWRC IAR
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Well if the U.S.M.C. expressed the desire for such a weapon it's because they have some application for it. Sure if you compare the IAR to a Minimi you can't get all for nothing. From what they say in the vid it seems like you don't "need" the full package (including the cons) of a Minimi in an urban arena.
This goodie is on my Conservative Party xmas wish list!
If you bought the "para" version of the basic Minimi (11.5" barrel & telescopic stock - if I remember correctly), you would accomplish the objectives the Marines spoke of in a much more compact and lethal package.
IAR = just another company looking for a civilian niche market under the guise of being militarily capable.
It's an Automatic Rifle. MArines have a different organization than the Army. 3 4-man teams per squad, they're going to move the SAWs to a support position and have IARs in the teams so they can maneuver better, aiui. In Vietnam one Marine would be called the 'Automatic Rifleman' and he was to fire his M16 full auto, while the others would be fined $50 of such if they EVER fired full auto. Minimi has been found heavy and cumbersome to be used as an AR, and when the other guys run he has difficulty keeping up, and is noisy and can't reload. Apparently if they use th 100 round sacks it is less noisy to move, but still hard to load, impossible while moving.
There is also special technology built into the barrel to cool it, but it's hush hush so we don't get to know what yet.
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Having humped a C9 for a fair amount of time, I can relate to the appeal of a AR platform that is designed for more sustained automatic fire. Not so much by virtue of it's weight, but by virtue of it's bulk (and it's ammo's bulk) the Minimi platform slows down it's operator in terms of movement and assuming good fire positions.
In a FIBUA environment, I can absolutely see the attraction of trading the high capacity ammo system for more compact platform.
In a FIBUA environment, I can absolutely see the attraction of trading the high capacity ammo system for more compact platform.
Couldn't the ammo issue be solved by using drum mags? They might be bulkier then boxes but If the trade off is a lighter easier to impliment LMG then maybe this is a good trade.
It seems that commonality of weapons systems has a lot of value especially when a platoon is dismounted for an extended period of time.
C9 is a nice weapon but it is more complex then a C7 making it more likely to jam. Not like the C7 is an icon of simplicity but it does work.
It seems that commonality of weapons systems has a lot of value especially when a platoon is dismounted for an extended period of time.
C9 is a nice weapon but it is more complex then a C7 making it more likely to jam. Not like the C7 is an icon of simplicity but it does work.
It has a butt load of ribbing. Plus open bolt will cool it a bit more.
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I like the idea of the common, familiar platform(ie AR) and the open bolt, fast fire rate. I don't believe the IAR is intended to 'replace' the Minimi....just differentiation of roles. Where a Minimi excels at a supportive role, offers quick barrel change and so on, the IAR furthers the ol' concept of fire and maneuver in a lighter platform.
Wow, you did it in one sentence! Something I have trouble doing.
Since it weighs about the same as an M16A4, kinda makes you think it would be a decent all round weapon. An assault rifle capable of sustained fire. No more worrying about where your SAW gunner is on an assault. Everyone has the capability to some extent.
Since it weighs about the same as an M16A4, kinda makes you think it would be a decent all round weapon. An assault rifle capable of sustained fire. No more worrying about where your SAW gunner is on an assault. Everyone has the capability to some extent.
NavyShooter
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I have a better understanding now of the concept behind the weapon....thanks.
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How do you figure? We spent a ####load of money on this and are an official contender. Phase 1 was FN, GD, LWRC. Phase 2 is FN, GD, HK, Colt, LWRC.
We can't sell this to civvies. Do you have any idea what is involved in a US military solicitation? To think we would do that for a civvie marketing campaign is pretty idiotic. I expect no less on the internet, but it was worth a chuckle. Thanks. Put on your thinking cap Jr.
We sell guns to civvies because we have the right to do so. If there were no US consumption of firearms, there would be nobody but a select few to innovate. No competition.
Actually anything that fires Full auto or semi auto from a closed bolt can have a cook off if enough ammuinition is expended
I realize that, but I haven't heard anyone around here having a problem with rounds cooking off. Just wondering if it's prevalent or if this is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
Of course you haven't... we're limited to 5 round mags and semi-auto only.
I have been on course's with both my AR and AK where we expendedover a 2 day period 1500 rnds of ammo as and had a fellow students AR actually discharge due to a cook off yes it can happen. You are more than likely to never see that happen in Canada in part too our ever thinking politicians that have saved us from certain imminent bodily harm by only allowing us to have 5rnd mags
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Also, most users are aware of the potential for cook off and will keep that in mind while fireing, stopping when the rifle becomes to warm, slowing the rate of fire, etc.
It is possible to cook off rounds in a bolt action if you shoot it enough. That would take a lot of shooting though.
It is possible to cook off rounds in a bolt action if you shoot it enough. That would take a lot of shooting though.
