just like the BCL102....jack it up when it's hot and back it down when it's not. look at the price decrease for those BCL102 rifles....right after Stag 10 comes out and not even 2 years after introduction, the price is back to where they initially said the rifle would cost. (even cheaper if you bought during black Friday and Cyber Monday). Why make less money when you can make more?
FX9 preorders gone bad at Wolverine supplies
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kablam
Regular
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- Southern Alberta
There is nothing wrong with a pre-order, think of it more as a first come, first serve wait list with a pre-pay.
Estimated prices prior to fullfillment are also fine, though we should be wary of cash grabs.
As a person that wants more choice (not less, ever) I'd like the option to order one of the first at whatever the estimated price point is.
If the price goes up I can (or at least should be able to) cancel for a full refund. Bumping someone else up in the list with the same choice to make.
If it doesn't (or if I decide a price increase is reasonable or at least of value) I'll get one in the first batch, hopefully.
For those that don't want to participate in a pre-order you will see the items show up in LGS's eventually or in the EE - no different than had their not been a pre-order at all.
The waiting is the hardest part.
Estimated prices prior to fullfillment are also fine, though we should be wary of cash grabs.
As a person that wants more choice (not less, ever) I'd like the option to order one of the first at whatever the estimated price point is.
If the price goes up I can (or at least should be able to) cancel for a full refund. Bumping someone else up in the list with the same choice to make.
If it doesn't (or if I decide a price increase is reasonable or at least of value) I'll get one in the first batch, hopefully.
For those that don't want to participate in a pre-order you will see the items show up in LGS's eventually or in the EE - no different than had their not been a pre-order at all.
The waiting is the hardest part.
Crashed
CGN Regular
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- albertastan
Sure I would of rather paid $899 for it and let's be honest, how many of thought HOLY KRAP only $899 when they first announced. Compared to what else is out there it's still a dam fine non restricted gun for $1049. Heck I bought two and am worried I might have to buy a couple more. My girls love our TNW ASR and it seems 9mm is all we shoot and they each seem to want their own now.
Dr. Hunter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Edmonton
I find for new products like the bcl and slr that are going to be popular you have a good chance with the ee and gunstores and later orders tend to have the bugs worked out. Same with the fx9 it's popular so you'll see them at stores and on the ee.
The desert tech MDR will likely only be at CSC and its iffy if any will go on the ee. Same with wanstalls Wilson combat xdc. I'll preorder guns like those when there's a high chance of missing out all together for products that likely won't be all that popular.
The desert tech MDR will likely only be at CSC and its iffy if any will go on the ee. Same with wanstalls Wilson combat xdc. I'll preorder guns like those when there's a high chance of missing out all together for products that likely won't be all that popular.
Chumlee Bumsnag
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- BC
Skibidi!
- Location
- Van
There is a term for this; and it's not synonymous with Guns. Bleeding edge. It works with Cars; Technology, Guns.. If you want perfection, wait a year or two for the quirks to be caught by mass production and fixed.
aakoksal
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- YYC, Alberta
Well then they should not do pre-order with downpayment...!!! Don't understand all the effort to justify this kind of behaviour...!
Don't know why everyone here doesn't understand the concept of supply vs demand and the affect on price
S1de8urnz
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Regina-ish
Man o man. A lot of cry babies. Take your money back and move on if it is a big deal breaker for you. They offered full refunds. What more do you want?
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoba. Canada
I am told that someone has seen fit to move this thread to our page from the general forum so I will try and explain the situation.
Firstly “Pre-Orders”, no one hates them more than us! They create a lot of extra work and no matter how careful we handle them someone gets upset. They do assist with forecasting future demand but experience has shown us that without a deposit they are pointless, customers will place an order and then change their minds.
We always try and honour previously quoted prices but when the volume is high and the margin is thin we sometimes find ourselves in a no win situation, and the price has to go up. When this happens we will always attempt to contact the customer and offer them a full refund if they do not want to pay the increased price.
My advice to any customer who also dislike “Pre-orders” is not to participate in them, just wait for supplies to reach the point that dealers have inventory on the shelf or wait for a used one. Interestingly you may pay more for a used one but that seems to be accepted.
Our price is first determined by our cost. I think our record speaks for itself. SAM handguns are cheaper from Wolverine than in the US. UTAS shotguns are cheaper from Wolverine than in the US. Wolverine brought the WK180-C to Canadians at a price no one said was possible.
With the FX-9 the first price of $899.00 was based on our initial predicted cost. I have to admit I failed to give this project as much attention as I normally do as I was pre-occupied with the WK180-C project. When in fact we finally received a delivery confirmation our cost had increased, US exchange rates did not help. Reluctantly the decision was made to raise the price from $899.00 to $1,049.00 there had been two 5% factory price increases and the cost of manufacturing the longer barreled Canadian compliant model was much higher than first estimated, even at this our margin was thin. We contacted every customer at that time explaining what had happened and giving the customer the option of an immediate cash refund with no penalty if they chose to cancel. When the first shipment arrived we were shocked at the shipping cost, we were caught yet again. We ate this increased cost on this first shipment and for all those who had placed deposits prior to this date 6th Nov but had no choice but to increase the price yet again to $1,095.00 on all future orders. Dealers who had placed orders were treated exactly the same as retail customers who had placed orders at the corresponding times.
Final confirmation, our current retail is $1,095.00 plus shipping and tax. As always if you have a question with anything about Wolverine or our products please e-mail Sales@wolverinesupplies.com for the fastest response.
Firstly “Pre-Orders”, no one hates them more than us! They create a lot of extra work and no matter how careful we handle them someone gets upset. They do assist with forecasting future demand but experience has shown us that without a deposit they are pointless, customers will place an order and then change their minds.
We always try and honour previously quoted prices but when the volume is high and the margin is thin we sometimes find ourselves in a no win situation, and the price has to go up. When this happens we will always attempt to contact the customer and offer them a full refund if they do not want to pay the increased price.
My advice to any customer who also dislike “Pre-orders” is not to participate in them, just wait for supplies to reach the point that dealers have inventory on the shelf or wait for a used one. Interestingly you may pay more for a used one but that seems to be accepted.
Our price is first determined by our cost. I think our record speaks for itself. SAM handguns are cheaper from Wolverine than in the US. UTAS shotguns are cheaper from Wolverine than in the US. Wolverine brought the WK180-C to Canadians at a price no one said was possible.
With the FX-9 the first price of $899.00 was based on our initial predicted cost. I have to admit I failed to give this project as much attention as I normally do as I was pre-occupied with the WK180-C project. When in fact we finally received a delivery confirmation our cost had increased, US exchange rates did not help. Reluctantly the decision was made to raise the price from $899.00 to $1,049.00 there had been two 5% factory price increases and the cost of manufacturing the longer barreled Canadian compliant model was much higher than first estimated, even at this our margin was thin. We contacted every customer at that time explaining what had happened and giving the customer the option of an immediate cash refund with no penalty if they chose to cancel. When the first shipment arrived we were shocked at the shipping cost, we were caught yet again. We ate this increased cost on this first shipment and for all those who had placed deposits prior to this date 6th Nov but had no choice but to increase the price yet again to $1,095.00 on all future orders. Dealers who had placed orders were treated exactly the same as retail customers who had placed orders at the corresponding times.
Final confirmation, our current retail is $1,095.00 plus shipping and tax. As always if you have a question with anything about Wolverine or our products please e-mail Sales@wolverinesupplies.com for the fastest response.
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Thanks for the information , so you put in x number of preorders at a set price . Does that not constitute a contractual obligation between the distributor and dealer . How does a distributor just increase the price ? That’s simply bad business . I understand currency fluctuations etc , but this just seems ludicrous. Most dealers would lock in US greenback in advance to offset Currency fluctuations, going both ways . Appreciate your effort with the intended clarification .
NSC1234
New member
- Location
- Southern Ontario
Putting up the funds secures a spot in the production timeline for the product-receiving party (Wolverine from FO, end-user from Wolverine). I'm sure "the contract" — implicit or explicit — would include a clause absolving the product-providing party of liability for changes in price (or product specifications or so on). The fair shake in this turn of events for the product-receiving party is generally the opportunity to break "the contract" with no penalty; i.e. full refund, no administration fee.
Wolverine took the increases in price/costs in stride because they knew that, even at the increased price, this would be a hot commodity. Then — per their implicit contractual obligation — they gave the next folk down the line their fair shake: the opportunity to break contract with no penalty if said price increase did not sit well with them.
bfiles
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Training in Camp X
It's got to be all these damn price pimps at it again!!!!
I think Wolverines answer was good and professional. Remember the m10x? That was awful, at least wolverine explains why and its sensible and was dealt with professionally.
Personally, I would just make a 9mm ar or slr upper for either of those prices, we have options now.
Personally, I would just make a 9mm ar or slr upper for either of those prices, we have options now.
Well, I'm not involved in this preorder so I don't really have a horse in the race. But I have been involved in things of a similar nature for somewhat larger amounts. I can think of cases where in the process of putting up a building, the trade costs or material costs jumped with no warning. Sometimes things happen, and no business is obligated to lose money. It's perfectly legitimate, in my mind, to offer a full refund and move along. No business wants angry customers, of course, and Wolverine has seemed to be a good business to me. But margins in gun sales are very slim, so there is a limit to how much they can subsidize. I would rather not lose another gun seller because they run out of money. I'm quite certain they didn't want the predictable bad press, but sometimes you have to keep the business safe for the future.
But to each their own.
But to each their own.
Crashed
CGN Regular
- Location
- albertastan
No no the MX10 isnt a good example. I mean after all they did add a DMR safety. 
Yep. It almost certainly always pays to follow the "post-order"/EE method.
desert.tan
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- Location
- Hamilton, Ontario
I have had issues with this retailer in the past for other orders and I would not ever consider giving them my money again.
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