GARANDS for sale

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a little bird told me that several garands will be for sale at the Penticton gunshow....:)

April 13th-14th.....
 
If the $2000 Garand is the same one I am thinking of, it was worth it. It has a new 308 barrel on it, new parts, National Match Op-Rod, ect. So, as I recall, the new James River Armory Garands are going for $1800, and they are built form old an new parts and completely refinished. That Garand was built from new old stock parts and put together, and in 308! So... I am missing something, a number of people are going on about the James River Garands, which are shooter, at a price tag of $1800, and yet, a Match quality gun for $200 more in 308 is laying on the table, and people start griping about the price. Did I miss something?
 
A james armoury M1 isn't worth $1800 IMO, so that would make the next one for $200 more overpriced as well.
You can get a decent mismatched example for less and not refinished to boot.
And for me personally, I don't see the 308 barrel as a big selling feature. Most guys who want an M1 want 3006!
Once again imho.
 
Purple had, as usual a couple of nice refurbed Garands on his table. They were reasonably priced and looked as new. He does good, meticulous work and it shows.

Nice rifles Purple.

There was a fellow walking around the show, both days that was to cheap to rent a table. He would walk around the show with a Garand slung on his shoulder, with a $1500 price flag on the side. The rifles were clean but well used. I know he had more than one or at least it looked that way. I don't think he sold them in the arena though. I saw him late Sunday and he didn't have one on his shoulder. Maybe he gave up or maybe he moved them in the parking lot.

Purple, did he approach you to buy the rifles as well????
 
Thank-you for the kind words. I had 3 Garands on my table, all rebuilt to new standards. All receivers were re-parked, all had new wood, and all parts were either NOS or servicable and re-parked. I had a Breda with a new Criterion barrel (sold), a HRA with a NOS GI barrel and many HRA-marked parts incl complete trigger group, bolt, op rod, and rear sight knobs, and another Breda with a nice tight VAR barrel. I seem to sell 1-3 Garands each year, either at the show or from follow-ups.

The gentleman walking around with the Garand for sale was another CGN member and he stopped by to chat. I had several other CGN members ID themselves and stop to talk about M1s or M1903s as well. I keep a sign on the table with my CGN name and wear a purple shirt to boot to identify myself to any of the CGN crowd.

The Penticton show is small, but seems OK for either a seller or a buyer. It is well run and I've had a table for the past 6 yrs. I am currently following up a rumor that someone had a shotgun stolen from his table though. I found some new additions to my library as well as a sound M1905 model Springfield bayo, vintage 1918, and scabbard. The bayo had the cross-guard bent back and wooden grips kind of toasted. I since straightened the guard and put on a pair of black GI plastic grips. It looks just fine now. I have a NOS left wooden grip and am LF a matching wood right grip for it. I just happen to have 2 NOS left grips, but no right one-kind of like having 2 shoes for the left foot.
 
CanadianAR said:
A james armoury M1 isn't worth $1800 IMO, so that would make the next one for $200 more overpriced as well.
You can get a decent mismatched example for less and not refinished to boot.
And for me personally, I don't see the 308 barrel as a big selling feature. Most guys who want an M1 want 3006!
Once again imho.
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I certainly prefer the 30-06 to the .308 in a Garand.
 
mcpherson284 said:
If the $2000 Garand is the same one I am thinking of, it was worth it. It has a new 308 barrel on it, new parts, National Match Op-Rod, ect. So, as I recall, the new James River Armory Garands are going for $1800, and they are built form old an new parts and completely refinished. That Garand was built from new old stock parts and put together, and in 308! So... I am missing something, a number of people are going on about the James River Garands, which are shooter, at a price tag of $1800, and yet, a Match quality gun for $200 more in 308 is laying on the table, and people start griping about the price. Did I miss something?
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Yes, I think you did, about $1300 in profits to the seller! And no common sense for the buyer!

Take a $600 Garand (just like those that came in a few years ago),
Repark the rifle in your backyard, put on a $100 Boyds stock,
and put it on the EE for $1800-$2200!
You'll eventually find someone with the big bucks who likes the new, pretty and unoriginal pimpshined look.

$$$$ Ka-Ching! $$$$
 
Of course we are not doing this based on prices of 10-15 yrs ago when the Danish Garands and parts from outfits like Lever and Districorp were cheap and abundant. Here is a summary of approximate prices we are paying for replacement components nowadays (forget about other associated costs like re-parkerizing, barrel installation, and shipping).
receiver-$400-$500
barrel- $350-400
trigger group- $85
gas cyl assy- $100
stock & handguards - $130
bolt assy - $80
misc stock hdwre- $35
various internals - $120
rear sight assy- $80
op rod- $140

Suddenly, $$ Ka-Ching $$, its $1500 just for the parts. If someone has a source for these parts today at less cost, I beg them to share it with us.
 
The $600 Garands were at P&S a few years back, 2008,2009.

If there wasn't money to be made pimping Garands (Reparkerizing, Restocking with a Boyd's, etc...), you wouldn't see them for sale. No one is going to take a loss and do it out of the goodness of their heart.
 
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The P&S Garands were a good buy and I got a few in the 2006-2008 time frame when they were available. They were cosmetically well used and a lot of metal parts needed re-parking. All receivers were sound and unpitted and barrels were OK too, except for one that I bought at the end knowing that the barrel was toasted. A couple of the stocks were beyond redemption and some of the handguards were in a similar state. I recall several gas cylinders being excessively worn. Other than that, there were a few other parts, like gas plugs, safeties, r. sight covers and all op rod springs that needed replacement. These came from a middle eastern source, I believe either from Jordan or Saudi. The dry climate was a big help in avoiding rust and I recall them being very dry of grease and containing a lot of the fine sands of Arabee.

One nice thing about this lot was that they included many of the fairly scarce IHC and HRA rifles with original barrels. Some parts, like trigger housing groups, bolts, and op rods, gas plugs, sight knobs, and stocks were either mis-matched or replaced. On balance I was very satisfied with them, especially with the 2 scarce IHC variations that I was able to find. They were priced in the $600-$675 range, a great buy only 5 yrs ago, especially considering what you need to pay for even a receiver these days.

There doesn`t seem to be any promise of more of these being imported, so it seems that we are stuck with what is already in circulation. The US CMP is getting some Military Aid Program rifles back from Turkey at present as a follow on to what they got back earlier from Denmark and Greece. Unfortunately these are only available to US citizens though. There is continuing speculation about more Garands being available from Korea and the Phillipines, but that is all it is.
 
Coyote Ugly, I find it hard to believe that considering your post of not one, but FOUR Johnson M1941 rifles, you would be making comments of what Garands WERE going for 2,4,6 or even 10-15 years ago, and complaining about Garand pricing now. You should know that it is supply and demand and thus prices are going up. I know what Johnsons are going for, seeings I missed out on one and have been hoping to luck out in finding another when I have the cash or a deal can be made. I know guys that bought their Garands at $250 from Lever, or bought the collectors Garand pack Lever offered. NO one out there is willing to see their Garands for what they paid for them.
 
If there is NEVER another garand import, I'll eat my hat ;) They always turn up in small-ish lots ever 5 or 6 years or so, then the price nosedives for 2-3 years before edging back up.

Show of hands - how many people would pay $1800 on the EE for a reparked and boyded-up M1 if originals in serviceable but used shape showed up tomorrow at P&S for, say, $1000 each? Is a Boyd's stock and a park job worth $800 to you?
 
Tough to say what the future retail sales possibilities are. US MILSURPs were exported very extensively after WW2, but who knows what is left and what the political obstacles to importation will be. They sure do seem to be drying up though. We haven't seen any M1917 Enfields at retail since the Danish surplus ones came in 20 yrs ago. The last M1903 Springfields came from Korea and/or Taiwan the late '80s/early '90s and they were pretty beat as a group, especially the barrels. The US CMP got hold of about the last lot of M1903s which had been furnished to Greece post WW2 to assist in the Greek civil war. The Phillipines supposedly still has some M1903s in addition to Garands and M1 Carbines, but again the possibilities of importation are uncertain, especially with the recent UN-sponsored arms trade restrictions. I've also heard tales about their storage conditions which didn't sound too promising.

A Breda is a good bet for a shooter Garand. Some folks still are a bit disdainful of these because they lack the US GI cachet, but they are very well made. If you add a NOS US GI barrel, a new Criterion barrel, or a good quality used GI barrel plus a Boyds stockset, a re-park job, and various new parts you end up with a nice looking and nice shooting rifle.

It would be great to see a new lot of importations through a Cdn vendor, but I wouldn't hold my breath for this. In the meantime supply and demand is a big factor with quality pieces, even the once common Long Branch No4s, continuing to escalate in price.
 
I think the thing that a lot of the Newbies don't realize is that a refinished gun is NOT worth the same as an original gun.
It may be hard for some to not see past the pretty factor of refurbing.

A Re-Parkerized 1911A1 or a Reblued 1911 or P08 Luger, P38, or Reblued K98 does not command anywhere near original prices.

There's a *Chrome* SKS and a *Chrome* 91/30 making it's rounds on the EE. That's getting in the same category as the pistols and rifle mentioned above.

Collectability and price drops significantly after any rework, reblue, or reparking is done.

Ask yourself....Is a $100 Boyd's stock collectable???....It was made yesterday....It didn't see D-Day....
 
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