Gen 2 NEA uppers
- Thread starter mmcintyre1220
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there have been many experiments (use google) with even welding an AR15 upper and a lower together, no improvements on accuracy or reliability.
AR15 Precision shooters have understood this for many years hence why the experiments.
As proven by testing in the '70's. Any tightening method would primarily be for shooter confidence, and would not affect actual accuracy one way or the other. I have come to accept the receiver looseness as a normal characteristic of the AR/M16 over the years.
here's a technical note from armalite concerning this:
https://deltagearinc.com/FYI/Myths/TechNote55-ReceiverTightness.pdf
i understand maybe you're newish to the shooting world but stating wrong information like this really doesnt help. Im sorry to be mean but you need to stop giving out expert advice.
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Your joking right?
What is in bold maybe one of the most important shooting elements for accuracy. The "shooter" is the most important link regardless of the quality of firearm. Another poster also stated he likes a tight AR and why is that? So a tight AR does affect the way it is shot, period!
To say it simply if your comfortable, confident and trusting of your AR you will shoot it better. Just like driving a clean effn car. Now do you get it. Lord thundern Geezuz man if you guys like shooting or hunting with a sloppy fitting AR, all the power to you. I along with many others do not.
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mmcintyre1220
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Lol well this went off topic. Guys I don't care about the fittment between the upper and lower. My last build using a stag lower and Lmt mrp upper was tighter than a nuns c***. Previous to that was a aero precision lower with a colt upper that was norinco loose. Both provided top accuracy for a non bull barrel carbine length ar. I came here asking a simple question. Should I buy an NEA complete upper until I build another high quality upper or should I wait it out?
mmcintyre1220
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Half the price and half the gun , the lmt mrp offers much much more than any colt can. also IMO LMT is twice the company colt is.
mmcintyre1220
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I have decided to hold off and stay ar-less until my build is done
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Yup...this thread totally derailed.
I've owned a few NEA's, a gen1 and a gen2..both were ok but not great, and the resale value was lower than average due to NEA's colorful past... There are so many great options out there for builds, NEA is not my first choice.
stumpy-kiwi
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to the original poster , good luck with your build ...as far as NEA are concerned , i have a gen 2 , and have hammered the crap out of it , it goes bang everytime , takes all magazines i throw in it , it has never failed , it has hit every deer and pig i have ever got close enough to shoot , rabbits as well .... i used a colt made one in the army and later the steyr ... the colt seemed to shoot just as fine , ... i see the same old guys banging the anti -nea drum non stop ... on this forum . i ,ove my nea , and will get a few more , well beofre any other brand ..
cheers
cheers
Bolivar
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Now who's joking? You posted about all harmonic technical reasons why a tight upper-lower fit matters then admitted it's a placebo and only really affects the shooters mind. Once a rational person accepts that uppers and lower have no technical reason to be tight, why should they gain any confidence or loose it based on fitment.
You are just perpetuating a myth. It's BS and shooters should not be encouraged to believe it matters.
SouthWest Guy
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You are right here, i don't know much about milling and machining, appreciate the education. I guess from the facts that they machined receivers from 6061, and ceracoate them rather than hard anodzing, are already means something. Just hope there is another Canadian manufacture out there with samilar priced products to compete with them, so they all have to rise the bar on quality control.
Buying NEA is false economy, you are not actually saving money, you are just paying less for a poorly made box (the receivers both upper and lower) full of poorly made parts that may or may not (the numbers in a recent poll show that more than 50 percent of NEA rifles have problems) work and or fit together the way they were designed to. IMO the only quality parts of an NEA rifle are the barrel and the cardboard box the rifle comes in, mostly because the barrel blanks are made by a quality manufacturer and purchased by NEA and the boxes are made by someone else and purchased by NEA. take from that what you will. My advice spend a small amount more and get a CORE or get a used DD. If you want to save a little longer AND get a Canadian rifle, Colt Canada makes an outstanding product and supplies C-7 and C-8 rifles to the Canadian Forces.
Can you say who made them for NEA or PM me.
Runningfool
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Afaik only a few people on CGN have this info and those that do can't reveal it due to ndas. I'm not one of those people and I'm pretty certain Mg4201 isn't either.
Despite blowing a lot of smoke you have to understand that Mg4201's entire wearisome anti-NEA crusade is based on pictures and text he has read on CGN. NONE of his maaaaany posts have ever included him having seen or touched an actual NEA-15, let alone fired one. He is so angry with NEA that he gets a bit over-zealous at times and mixes up the facts. It is unfortunate really because it becomes practically impossible to have any meaningful discussions involving NEA in this forum.
Why would I buy an NEA and try it?. 50% of owners reported problems. with all the blown up, broken badly machined crap i have seen, why would i risk firing one?. I have never kicked a lion in the nuts to see what would happen either. And if you were being honest you would have stated that I have handled NEA rifles, i handled three at my LGS all were poorly machined with gritty, heavy triggers and Taiwanese bolts. One of those rifles in the store wouldn't even ####. All three were eventually sold and IIRC 2 of the 3 were returned and sent back to NEA. The LGS NEVER ordered NEA products again because of the high return rate and un satisfied customers. But hey please keep lying to support your position.
Runningfool
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Wasn't aware you had mentioned that. I won't bother asking if they were early gen (pretty obvious that they were) or if you are aware of how silly your Taiwanese bolt comment is.
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It's pretty funny, I remember back when NEA first came out with their AR's, mg4201 went on a tantrum about the tooling marks on their lowers. To this day he is still obsessed with them, I bet half his 6k posts are about bashing NEA. Kind of makes a guy wonder what is his motive in all this.
I've used NEA products and I've had some duds, oh well I got over it.
I've used NEA products and I've had some duds, oh well I got over it.
My motives are clear and have been stated many times, I don't like to see people get ripped off by companies like NEA, I don't like to see ####ty products with a maple leaf on them and I don't like companies that lie and shill their ####ty products with fake accounts or companies producing dangerous substandard products and selling them as equal to quality products like Daniel defence. The bottom line is that NEA produced and in my opinion continues to produce poorly made garbage full of crappy components purchased from the lowest bidder. Once NEA realised that they had bolt issues they did not remove those bolts from the production stocks and continued to put them in rifles. They made uppers and lowers from "billet aluminum" without making the necessary quality checks to ensure they would function. When these crappy parts failed they told lies about how dimensional tolerances work and claimed that the parts were in tolerance when they were not.
