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As a follow up on the closed thread...

When buying or selling a firearm online I suggest the following.

Before any money exchanges hands, the exchange of both seller and buyer information should take place:

Full name and date of birth
Address and phone number and email address
PAL number

With that info you can call in and verify the legitimacy of the license and address.

It would not guarantee you will not get scammed but you have some valid information to supply the police with.
 
Why would the seller provide all that info? That's a pretty good way to get scammed in itself....
 
9mms2k said:
Why would the seller provide all that info? That's a pretty good way to get scammed in itself....
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It's the first thing I do is to supply my info and request theirs.

If you want to know who you are legally selling a gun to, don't you think the buyer has the the right to know who he is legally buying a gun from?

Way too much paranoia in the gun world... I think we all would be better off if it was a requirement to fill out your profiles with all your information instead of hiding behind aliases.
 
guntech said:
It's the first thing I do is to supply my info and request theirs.

If you want to know who you are legally selling a gun to, don't you think the buyer has the the right to know who he is legally buying a gun from?

Way too much paranoia in the gun world... I think we all would be better off if it was a requirement to fill out your profiles with all your information instead of hiding behind aliases.
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I'm new here. I've been providing my name (first and last) and my phone number. Seems to be working for me. Why a vendor would provide all the info needed to buy a gun or get a credit card is beyond me.... There's a sucker born every minute.
 
9mms2k said:
I'm new here. I've been providing my name (first and last) and my phone number. Seems to be working for me. Why a vendor would provide all the info needed to buy a gun or get a credit card is beyond me.... There's a sucker born every minute.
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You can't get a credit card with that info.... And Dennis is right, a simple exchange of names and phone numbers and addresses witha quick conversation could avoid a lot of scams...
 
There have been ongoing tales of woe, when a person has paid for a gun, the deal has gone south, and it turns out that they don't have the slightest idea about the actual identity of the person to whom they sent the money by EMT.

If a seller refuses to identify himself, is he selling a stolen gun? Or even has the gun he is "selling"? Believe it or not, there are scammers out there.
 
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Exchange of info is critical for me to trust someone.

If someone doesn't want to tell me who they are when we are doing a deal, I don't do the deal.

Cheers
Jay
P.S. tiriaq is spot on, we see stories where someone simply sends money via emt to an email, and got scammed... Exchange of info, a phone call, checking post history, checking trader ratings and some google searching, all go A LONG WAY to ensure you don't get scammed!
 
Its sad , but there are fraudsters and scammers everywhere ; it is very difficult to avoid the situation when buying online from a private seller . You can take some precautions , but in the end it amounts to buyer beware.....pay your money and take yor chance....
 
If you don't personally know the guy and don't personally view his PAL, don't you phone in and check the validity of the PAL number? You need the full name and date of birth to do that... and if you have the address they will confirm if it is correct or not. Or are you simply dealing illegally?
 
9mms2k said:
I'm new here. I've been providing my name (first and last) and my phone number. Seems to be working for me. Why a vendor would provide all the info needed to buy a gun or get a credit card is beyond me.... There's a sucker born every minute.
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I believe no one is allowed to possess a firearm without a valid license... those who steal firearms seldom have that licensing. That information will only help you when you check with the licensing. Period. I like to know when I am buying a firearm, it is coming from a licensed person. Not a problem when done in person, I ask to see their PAL. The internet requires a bit more work. The sucker that is born every minute isn't me.
 
guntech said:
If you don't personally know the guy and don't personally view his PAL, don't you phone in and check the validity of the PAL number? You need the full name and date of birth to do that... and if you have the address they will confirm if it is correct or not. Or are you simply dealing illegally?
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I don't believe you need a pal to sell a firearm... By my reading of the current laws I'm not obligated to check the purchasers license. A scan is fine by me.
You don't need the sellers date of birth, pal number, a permission slip from their mom or middle name.
If you don't feel comfortable having a phone call with me then I guess you don't buy from me. I'm not giving out my info to sell something. Why? Because it's an easy way to get ripped off or scammed... And here's how it goes. Johnny the coke dealer needs a new heater. He goes online and finds an ad for a glock 17. Oh look, the seller lists his location as Wally World.... Well that's just a few short blocks from Johnny the coke dealers place. Johnny the coke dealer sends the seller a message requesting all the information "gun tech" suggested... The seller being the honest gun owner complies and sends Johnny the coke dealer all the info he's requested. Johnny the coke dealer hops in his ride and stakes out the house. Honest gun dealer heads off to work. Johnny beaks in and helps himself.
 
I agree with the need to be cautious, and to that end just seeing someones PAL card does not necessarily mean it is a valid PAL - it may have been revoked for one reason,
or another. A quick call to the CFC and they can quickly tell you if it is a valid PAL or not. Which is important when you are selling non-restricted firearms and would like to
remain on the right side of the law.
 
guntech said:
I believe no one is allowed to possess a firearm without a valid license... those who steal firearms seldom have that licensing. That information will only help you when you check with the licensing. Period. I like to know when I am buying a firearm, it is coming from a licensed person. Not a problem when done in person, I ask to see their PAL. The internet requires a bit more work. The sucker that is born every minute isn't me.
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Yes, there are more than a few people who can posses firearms with out licenses.... Executors of estates, police officers, military just to name a few... There are also firearms that don't require licenses.

I've sold a few non firearms on this site... Should people be asking for my family tree for that also?

I fought to remove the registry. Now people are starting their own.

Again, if you don't feel comfortable with a phone call then don't buy from me. Simple.
 
Rascal said:
My trader rating rating speaks for itself, your not getting much info from me on a sale other than that
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There's been several long time & good standing members 'fall off the rails' & defraud people... So, while your trader rating is a good indication as to your character, it is not an ironclad guarantee to the buyer...

But, it's your choice who you deal with, & your right to walk away from a deal if you want...

Cheers
Jay
 
If you send your funds to a bank account, at least it can be tracked but if the person opening up the bank account used stolen ID, you are still screwed. Buying online with strangers is really a crap shoot. Unfortunately, with ID theft, they can steal someone's wallet and if the wallet contained a PAL, they will use it and here you go thinking that they guy even emailed you his PAL with photo ID and drivers licence so it must be legit. i had a friend who shopped online for a phone from the UK and the "seller" even emailed his "passport photo". The red flag was sending the money via Western Union. Once sent, the money will not be traceable. Buyer beware. Craigslist scammers abound and unfortunately, they will try to scam gun buyers as well.
 
9mms2k said:
Yes, there are more than a few people who can posses firearms with out licenses.... Executors of estates, police officers, military just to name a few... There are also firearms that don't require licenses.

I've sold a few non firearms on this site... Should people be asking for my family tree for that also?

I fought to remove the registry. Now people are starting their own.

Again, if you don't feel comfortable with a phone call then don't buy from me. Simple.
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Who gives a crap about your family tree...
No one is starting a registry you so bravely fought against.

I believe only executors require no license to possess firearms they are legally disposing of in a timely manner. Police and military off duty are no different than regular citizens and require a license if they possess firearms or wish to acquire them.

I would not buy or sell a firearm from anyone if they will not provide proof of a license... the exception would be an executor... and proof of that is easily provided. Talking on the phone is not proof of much.
 
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