Gewehr 1888

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This beauty is coming to my gun case! $355 shipped
A special thank you to Dutchie!
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Now, where can I find proper, SAFE to use, ammo for this sucker? Not that I will be sending many rounds down the barrel!

"Type: GEW 88 made in 1891 "Judenflinte"
Manufactured by Lowe in Berlin
Caliber: 7.92x57mm (8mm Mauser)
Barrel: 28 inches and is Excellent.
Stock: Original full Military
Condition: Unit marking on barrel bands. Rear sight calibrated in Meters. (No Turk markings)
$325 (my Best and last one)"

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Stay away from surplus ammo for 8mm Mauser. Slug the bore, find the right diameter bullet, and use a mild load. She is 120 years old so don't push her too far.
 
My suggestion is to reload for it, Nabs and I have a really good load cooked up if you are interested, PM him for it. Off the shelf, maybe some Winchester 8mm might work.

Cheers
 
Are there no "off the shelf" bullets I can try? What about the Privi Partizan stuff?

196 grain
Muzzle Velocity: 2181 fps
Muzzle Energy: 2072 ft. lbs.

Thanks in advance all

Canadian and US commercial 8mm Mauser ammo should be okay. Keep in mind the bore diameters on these rifles is not the same as a Gewehr 98 for instance (hence the need to slug to the bore to be absolutely sure).

If you wish to handload, I will happily share the 8mm Mauser starter load that Drachenblut and I use.
 
Canadian and US commercial 8mm Mauser ammo should be okay. Keep in mind the bore diameters on these rifles is not the same as a Gewehr 98 for instance (hence the need to slug to the bore to be absolutely sure).

If you wish to handload, I will happily share the 8mm Mauser starter load that Drachenblut and I use.
I have a fridge full of beer and a ton of hospitality to give in exchange! I never learned to handload, but there's always a time to start!
 
"...Caliber: 7.92x57mm (8mm Mauser)..." 7.92 x 57J with .318" bullets. Bullet diameter was changed in 1905 to .323".
Current factory 7.92 x 57JS (8mm Mauser) ammo uses .323" bullets. Not interchangeable and unsafe in a GEW 88.
"..."off the shelf" bullets I can try?...the Prvi Partizan stuff?..." Bullets yes, ammo none that I can find. Prvi loads .323" bullets.
 
I have a fridge full of beer and a ton of hospitality to give in exchange! I never learned to handload, but there's always a time to start!

I recently learned to hand load myself and was taught by Drachenblut and now I will not buy commercial ammo unless I really want to try a new rifle out. You can also save money this way. It can be complicated to learn at first but once you get the hang of it and have someone mentoring you through the process, it becomes much easier.
 
when I used to shoot these I would make up light loads using 150gr FMJ projectiles over a light charge of 4895 from an American relaoading manual that lists commercial SAAMI loads (e.g. NOT european service rifle loads for the K98k which are too hot). I used the Nosler book. It shot really well.

Just make sure you have a .321" to .323" groove diameter and not .318".

If the latter, you better start getting into bullet casting and find a .318" RCBS bullet swaging die.
 
"...Caliber: 7.92x57mm (8mm Mauser)..." 7.92 x 57J with .318" bullets. Bullet diameter was changed in 1905 to .323".
Current factory 7.92 x 57JS (8mm Mauser) ammo uses .323" bullets. Not interchangeable and unsafe in a GEW 88.
"..."off the shelf" bullets I can try?...the Prvi Partizan stuff?..." Bullets yes, ammo none that I can find. Prvi loads .323" bullets.

Not really true. MANY Gew88's - the majority - were converted to 88/05 or 88/14 configuration and most of those were re-rifled to .323".

The only .318" guns I've seen were from the Ecuadorian cache that Gibbs sold in the mid-1990's.

slug the bore to be certain - better safe than blown up. But if you have a gun with charger clip guides either riveted & soldered or welded on, it's PROBABLY a .323" rifle, though you STILL NEED TO CHECK.
 
The groove diameter I have seen and encountered the most is .321". This is the case with my 1890 Erfurt 88/05. I slugged the the bore to be sure as some people kept telling me it was a .323" when my reading told me it was probably around .321". Some later made (post 1896) Gewehr 88s might have the .323" grooved barrel but not always.

You may ask "Why all the confusion ?". Well this is the period in time for the Germany military when alot of new developments in rifles, calibers, and powders was occuring. The Gewehr 88 was caught right up in this and developed before everything settled down.

Whether you choose to handload or purchase commercial ammo, I ask that you be safe and don't push your 88 to the brink, she saw plenty of service to last a lifetime.
 
Very nice catch. I've been eying that rifle for a few months now but always got some other project demanding immediate attention. Joys of buying an old house. Keep good car of her!
 
When the 88s were converted to "S" patron the only mod to the barrel was to enlarge the neck of the chamber.
The original 88 had a .319" groove size soon changed to .321" , the Z rifle. All the 88s I have slugged have been .321".
The ctg for the G88 is often referred to as a low pressure round. The official pressure of the 88 patron was 3200 atm(47040 psi) vs 3500 atm(51450 psi) for the S ctg. It was a lower pressure round but still much higher than the SAAMI ammo. "Mauser ,Walther and Mannlicher Firearms" Smith
 
You guys are a wealth of knowledge, and I very much appreciate your comments and feedback.

I can confirm, via Dutchie, that it indeed has an "S" stamped on the receiver. I will make the bold assumption that it is either a .321 or .323. Either way, I am more confident that I can use modern factory ammo, under 2200 fps (to be safe). Based on my research so far, the 88 is not really the "wimp" some here would like to make it out to be. Green, above, has confirmed that fact.

Why don't you guys post photos of your 88's and we can turn this into a more official "one-stop-88-shop"?

Not a whole lot of data on the GEW 88 in CGN, and what is available, is thinly spread over a few threads.
 
As to '88s, the Turks got a lot of them during the Great War and this is the source of the bulk of the rifles released here in the last 30 years or so. When they were running around right cheap, I picked up four of them, kept three, let a friend have one.

ONE was just like yours, 1891 Loewe, really nice shape. It had been "Turked" in part, has Arabic numbers of the rear sight, has been made up from all kinds of bit and reblued, a beautiful job. It shoots very nicely. I was actually silly enough to fire some RWS stuff that was headstamped only "RWS over E37": brass cases, FMJ bullets, .323" diameter. Recoil was awfully heavy. Turned out this particular ammo (sold mail-order by SIR) was Luftwaffe high-speed aircraft MG AP ammo with pressures 'WAY up at the limits for the MG-15! Sure made nice little quarter-inch holes straight through a chunk of B-25 belly armour. I toned the loads down more than a bit and it shoots really nice.

Second one I kept was made at the Konigliches Gewehrfabriken Amberg in 1898, right at the end of production. It has not been refinished although it has been FTR, more or less. Interesting thing about this rifle is the little "nm" stamp on the left side of the action: "Neues Muster" (New Issue). This rifle weighs nearly a pound more than the Loewe and the weight is ALL in the barrel and nearly all of that is right at the chamber: visibly thicker for about 4 inches ahead of the receiver. They had problems with the early rifles with the chambers "lifting out" and, of course, it was blamed on the Jews, hence the poor old rifle's nickname. The problem actually was that they didn't quite have a handle on smokeless powders yet and the Flake powder they were using was NOT progressive-burning: that was for Hudson Maxim to figure out, working in the USA for DuPont, although his brother Hiram (of aeronautical and machine-gun fame) had earlier worked this out in England. But chambers did lift out and it was the fault of the Jews, so the obvious thing was to make the chambers heavier.... which they proceeded to do. I still have these rifles so, if anyone doubts what I am saying, drop by for coffee and bring a screwdriver.

The third rifle came on the market a few months later and is what now is correctly called an 88/35: it uses the original 1888 action, completely rebuilt, a new 8x57 medium-weight barrel, 29 inches, stocked up in nice Turkish Walnut to look like a '95 Mauser. Only thing I don't like about it is the sloppy varnish finish, which is original on these.... and they could be SO nice.

All of these have the S, z and '14 mods: fat bullet, internal cartridge interruptor and do away with the clip-slot in the bottom of the mag well. You use regular '98 pattern chargers in all of these. I would think any rifle modded for the S would have had the sights graduated as well: new bullet was a 154 at 2880 ft/sec rather than a 227 at the original velocity.

They are beautiful old pieces of history, so very often unappreciated. And they are a LOT of fun at the range, too!

Congratulations on a FINE purchase!
 
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