I think you under-rate your abilities. Average shooters, cant shoot. Im very average. In any case i am sure all it takes is more consistent trigger time. Out of curiosity, what do you consider good shooting, if you consider yourself average? And whats it gonna take for me to get there?
Glock 17 - groups
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I think you under-rate your abilities. Average shooters, cant shoot. Im very average. In any case i am sure all it takes is more consistent trigger time. Out of curiosity, what do you consider good shooting, if you consider yourself average? And whats it gonna take for me to get there?
Practice (Live and Dry fire). There is no other way, assuming you have a decent stance and grip.
Take Care
Bob
First off, people that spray a pattern at 7 yards are not pistol shooters.
They may own handguns and shoot them, but I own a guitar -and I'm not a musician
If you can't do 2" at 7 yards, you are a beginner. Nothing wrong with that at all.
I'm average. A good shot can take my groups and half them.
People like Koldt and RichLPS are good pistol shots- maybe if they see this they can chime in.
You need to work on technique, and send alot of lead down range.
To get the technique, you would be well served to seek out professional instruction - Maybe talk to the local PPC guys for their input.
how are you able to get groups that good? granted ive literally just started shooting. and i recently sold my old handgun and bought a new one, so i have to get the feel for that, but still. that is an amazing group.
does practice really make perfect?
im just trying to become a better shot. should i shoot more?
6-8 inches at 25 yards is decent shooting, but no offense to beltfed, it's not amazing.
No. It does not. 'Perfect' practice makes perfect. Going to the range and blasting away without a plan and a purpose does you no good, it just wastes time and ammo.
Becoming a better shot is just like anything else you want to get better at, whether it's lifting weights, running, racing motorcycles, skiing, what ever. You need to work on fundamentals and basics, doing repetitions and drills that will make you better.
Shooting more will help (unless you just go to the range to make noise), but shouldn't be the only thing you do. Dry firing, drawing, reloading, all can be done at home with an empty pistol to improve yourself.
im no expert, but i believe my stance and grip and such is ok. im just honestly trying to steady my sight picture. truth be told, i tend to grip the gun too hard, and thus cause my sight picture to shake about.
That's the biggest problem.
Self-diagnosis is rarely accurate, even when you are an expert. People have a tendency to minimize their shortcomings, which can cause issues with identifying problems or areas you want to improve.
One way to more accurately try to identify problems is to record yourself shooting drills and doing manipulations.
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I tend to have the same issue; trying to find the right amount of hand pressure so that my grip is firm but not firm enough to cause tremors.
PPC is great for working on accuracy. The further distances are where I'm needing some work these days....
When I was shooting a lot of PPC, my longer range accuracy was awesome. On a B-27 target, I would only drop a point or 2 on the 15m stages, and the only time I would have anything out of the 9-ring at 25m was during the quick 6.
Although, last year at the WPFG, I kept every round within the 8-ring at the 50m stages.... So I was pleased with that.
Yesterday I put new sights on my other Gen4 G17, and going for head shots (roughly a 6" target), I was able to keep everything inside at 25m using the barricade. Didn't have the group I was hoping for, but they were all where they were supposed to be.
So my slower, long range accuracy isn't as good as it was (it's good enough for government work though), but my closer, faster stuff is much better. I think its a fair trade.
When I was shooting a lot of PPC, my longer range accuracy was awesome. On a B-27 target, I would only drop a point or 2 on the 15m stages, and the only time I would have anything out of the 9-ring at 25m was during the quick 6.
Although, last year at the WPFG, I kept every round within the 8-ring at the 50m stages.... So I was pleased with that.
Yesterday I put new sights on my other Gen4 G17, and going for head shots (roughly a 6" target), I was able to keep everything inside at 25m using the barricade. Didn't have the group I was hoping for, but they were all where they were supposed to be.
So my slower, long range accuracy isn't as good as it was (it's good enough for government work though
), but my closer, faster stuff is much better. I think its a fair trade.
everybody has answered what is perhaps the "accuracy" but no one has addressed the "speed" factor....
frankly you should be pushing yourself to shoot faster and remain accurate, by that I mean doing drills.
"shoot the dots"
place 10x 2" red dots on target, each dot gets 1 shot, as fast as you can whle keeping your hits on target, start at 3 yds until you master it, back it up 1 yd at a time... another variation uses 1" dots.
here is a page full of drills for you.... http://www.kuci.org/~dany/firearms/all_drills.html
and remember the glock is a "combat" pistol, your shooting it off hand, your best practice is going to be dry firing the pistol.... live ammo training is great but if you really want to get good you got to dry fire and learn trigger control.
you should also be incorporating a holster into your shooting regime... another thing is have afriend go with you and practice on targets like this (build your own with sharpies as well) have your friend call out a colour or a number or both....)
frankly you should be pushing yourself to shoot faster and remain accurate, by that I mean doing drills.
"shoot the dots"
place 10x 2" red dots on target, each dot gets 1 shot, as fast as you can whle keeping your hits on target, start at 3 yds until you master it, back it up 1 yd at a time... another variation uses 1" dots.
here is a page full of drills for you.... http://www.kuci.org/~dany/firearms/all_drills.html
and remember the glock is a "combat" pistol, your shooting it off hand, your best practice is going to be dry firing the pistol.... live ammo training is great but if you really want to get good you got to dry fire and learn trigger control.
you should also be incorporating a holster into your shooting regime... another thing is have afriend go with you and practice on targets like this (build your own with sharpies as well) have your friend call out a colour or a number or both....)
I haven't read through the whole thread but did see most of it. One thing that has been missed is the need to do some bench rested groups. Rest the gun and work on your trigger pull, grip, and sight picture. It's not as easy as you'd think getting good groups off the bench and you'll learn a lot if you pay attention.
everybody has answered what is perhaps the "accuracy" but no one has addressed the "speed" factor....
frankly you should be pushing yourself to shoot faster and remain accurate, by that I mean doing drills.
"shoot the dots"
place 10x 2" red dots on target, each dot gets 1 shot, as fast as you can whle keeping your hits on target, start at 3 yds until you master it, back it up 1 yd at a time... another variation uses 1" dots.
here is a page full of drills for you.... http://www.kuci.org/~dany/firearms/all_drills.html
and remember the glock is a "combat" pistol, your shooting it off hand, your best practice is going to be dry firing the pistol.... live ammo training is great but if you really want to get good you got to dry fire and learn trigger control.
you should also be incorporating a holster into your shooting regime... another thing is have afriend go with you and practice on targets like this (build your own with sharpies as well) have your friend call out a colour or a number or both....)
Some solid information in this thread and Pepsicola's post above illustrates the equal importance of speed with accuracy. However, having a buddy call a colour and/or number is more of a mental conditioning exercise (requiring the shooter to think before dumping rounds into the target) than a speed and accuracy based exercise. Still a very good drill just not something I would recommend the novice who is still working on speed and accuracy.
I don't see the benefit to bench resting a pistol. The majority of ones trigger time should be done off hand, its a hand gun, not a precision rifle. If you're benching the gun to ensure it "shoots straight" you're likely wasting your time. If the rear sight is centered in the dovetail, the pistol will shoot straight. Adjustable sights compensate for poor form, nothing more. Working the trigger and reset does not require one to be seated or braced. In fact, if you bench the pistol you will have a difficult time diagnosing most errors such as healing or flinching.
TDC
Also helps in finding out whether or not your loads are shooting to POA. For those of us who see value in some applications for adjustable sights it helps us zero our guns for different load combinations.
PH Racing you are about to find out I suspect.
Take care
Bob
What other factors are you isolating? Even with poor sight alignment one can still learn and practice proper trigger control. As I mentioned, if you rest the gun you will not see the negative results of poor trigger control caused by too much or too little finger on the trigger as well as slapping.
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I'm a new handgun shooter and a new glock shooter. I am happy if I improve over my last outing, as some have mentioned. I hope for groups inside the 8 ring on B-27 targets (had to google that...) at 25m and strive for 2" groups at 15m and under, I am not there yet.
I shot off the bench to check my POA to POI. It's harder then it looks...
I shot off the bench to check my POA to POI. It's harder then it looks...
