Shooting characteristics are quite different. At least that was my experience. Try one when you get a chance. Not lengthening the barrel to make it more like a 17, only lengthening it to make it legal to obtain.
Glock 19 dealer in Ontario?
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Shooting characteristics are quite different. At least that was my experience. Try one when you get a chance. Not lengthening the barrel to make it more like a 17, only lengthening it to make it legal to obtain.
I'm sorry you didn't have such a great experience. In the big picture, maybe buy what they have in stock now, shoot it, enjoy it for what it is, and you may just find you are happy with it. Just a thought. Too bad you are not on the West Coast, would be happy to have you try mine. Good luck!
Thanks thats most likely what I will do just buy what they have on the shelf and worry about mods and making it what I really want later...And thanks for the offer that would be great if I was in your area, there is one range locally that rents guns and I think they have Glocks Im just not sure what models they have....Other then that none of my friends that shoot have one, my one friends that is into firearms the most owns a desert eagle and always asks me if I want to go shoot that with him. And my snapon dealer who actually got me interested in getting my lic shoots IPSC, so he has custom guns that he has built for him and then modified. I just feel better about buying my own gun and learning on that, the eagle is a bit intimidating for a first timer lol
So you own a 19? What other pistols do you own? What can you say about the 19 compared to your other guns? Good starter?
I like the design and styling of the Glocks, and I like European made products...For me Glock is my first choice and as I said I think Id like to also own a HK. Although I might save the HK for a rifle!
Yes, but I just bought it on Monday, took a couple of days for the paperwork and it is in transit to me now...I’m twitching as I type
A bunch of revolvers, mostly .22 LR and .357 Magnum. Some DA/SA and some SA-only. I’m in the process of converting one of the DA/SA to DA-only.
In terms of semi-auto, I have an SA-only 1911 style in .45 ACP and a DA/SA in 9mm. Also in the process of converting this DA/SA to DA-only.
Reason for the conversions of the DA/SAs to DA-only is that I find I only shoot them in SA mode (external hammers so #### them first). I do this for two reasons. First off, the SA triggers are really nice and hard to resist. Second, my grip on the guns makes it difficult (for me) to transition my trigger finger position between the DA first shot and subsequent SA shots. Converting them to DA-only is a trial balloon. I have ordered new parts to do this with. If it doesn’t work out, I’ll be able to convert them back. Obviously many other folks do not experience the same issue I am having but I’m just checking it out. I suppose I could have just purchased new guns that were DA only but I don’t want any more guns at this time (I know, call me crazy) and the parts were next to free so an easy decision.
I am not that much further along the shooting curve than you. Your interests will progress in your own unique path. My interests were to explore and experience as many of the different actions as my budget would allow. I have been very lucky to pick up some very nice pieces along the way. Although my history and love is for the cold-blue-steel and hand finished wood stocks, I have always been curious about the polymer/striker-fired guns. They are obviously very popular and although I don’t consider myself a collector by any means, my experience of the different popular actions would be sorely lacking if it didn’t at least try a striker-fired gun. Also, it may just have some relation to me wanting to convert my DA/SA to DA-only as the striker-fired guns have a consistent trigger pull each and every time and in both, there is no initial procedure to perform, just draw and squeeze the trigger. So, I was chatting with a fellow CGN’r about his Steyr. He invited me out to his range to try it and he also brought along a Glock 34, which the competition version of the 17. I did not like the trigger on either. I fired the Steyr pretty well though. I did not shoot the Glock with much consistency at all. This comparison thing using a single box of ammo is pretty unfair in my opinion as each gun is different and I have done plenty, with little effort, on my hand guns to make them way smoother so comparing them now to similar off-the-shelf models would not be a fair comparison. Having said all that, and even though all of these factors can be modified, the most important aspects are the grips, sights and trigger. These guns just did not feel good to me. Anyway, my interest was not diminished. After more reading, I found a number of folks indicate that the 19 was a fair bit different than the 17 and 34. So I found another fellow on CGN who was selling a 19. Turns out goes to my range. So he invited me out to try it. I only put 2 mags (20 rounds) through it and loved it. Despite the finger grooves (which can be eliminated) it felt really great in my hands, the trigger was real nice, I had no issue with the sights and I shot it really well. This was a stock gun. Unfortunately, by the time we got together, he changed his mind about selling it. So I bought one the next day from IRunGuns. I have no expectation the one I get will be the same as the one I tried, but I am hoping it will at least be close. So to really answer your question, the trigger is nowhere near as nice as my single actions guns (revolvers or semis) but it is consistent which is all I ask for. I can’t offer much more at this time other than the fit which I previously mentioned. I was expecting more recoil with the shorter barrel but I think because the fit is so good, I can hold it really well and so found it to have very little in the way of recoil. Can report more later. By the way, my step-son just bought his first hand gun. Wanted to do it on his own. Bought from a store front. A couple of bucks more perhaps but is establishing his own relationship with the local outfit. Works for him. In your case, I support the same approach but with the Glock 19, you don’t have a lot of options.
This is a very personal thing. When I think starter, I think of calibre first, then action, and gun is one of the last things up for consideration. So 9mm is not a bad first round at your age (you are obviously not 10 years old). You still may want a 22LR. All the big boys have them and shoot them so you will not be doing yourself a disfavour to get one, either with the 9mm, or as a first. By getting a 22lr first, you will be able to buy at your local gun store much easier (versus a Glock 19). As far as action goes, I would recommend a revolver or a DA-only or SA-only. Semi-auto seems to be more appealing to younger folks so your choice is reasonable in my books (for what it is worth). As far as the gun goes, Glock has a great name, you seem to like them, so the only other factor is how it fits you personally. Like dirt bikes, guns are one of those things that you just can’t go into a store and try (for the most part). Try the rental place. You have to have a membership at a range anyway so go to some meetings and ask if there is any one with a Glock 19 willing to let you hold it. Likely they will invite you out to shoot it. You can decide from there. Try to keep your mind open to not liking it, just in case. There are tons of great 9mm out there. Regardless, be safe and have fun!
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Interesting...I was expecting this myself...but perhaps the new recoil spring system in the Gen 4 has something to do with it. I did not find it snappy at all. I also think the fit in my hands plays a large factor. My hold on it must be better than my other metal guns. Of course this will be different from person to person. In my post above, I mentioned my son's first purchase. We have the same size hands. He bought a Sig 226 and he loves bigger chunkier grips. I do not.
Yes, but I just bought it on Monday, took a couple of days for the paperwork and it is in transit to me now...I’m twitching as I type
A bunch of revolvers, mostly .22 LR and .357 Magnum. Some DA/SA and some SA-only. I’m in the process of converting one of the DA/SA to DA-only.
In terms of semi-auto, I have an SA-only 1911 style in .45 ACP and a DA/SA in 9mm. Also in the process of converting this DA/SA to DA-only.
Reason for the conversions of the DA/SAs to DA-only is that I find I only shoot them in SA mode (external hammers so #### them first). I do this for two reasons. First off, the SA triggers are really nice and hard to resist. Second, my grip on the guns makes it difficult (for me) to transition my trigger finger position between the DA first shot and subsequent SA shots. Converting them to DA-only is a trial balloon. I have ordered new parts to do this with. If it doesn’t work out, I’ll be able to convert them back. Obviously many other folks do not experience the same issue I am having but I’m just checking it out. I suppose I could have just purchased new guns that were DA only but I don’t want any more guns at this time (I know, call me crazy) and the parts were next to free so an easy decision.
I am not that much further along the shooting curve than you. Your interests will progress in your own unique path. My interests were to explore and experience as many of the different actions as my budget would allow. I have been very lucky to pick up some very nice pieces along the way. Although my history and love is for the cold-blue-steel and hand finished wood stocks, I have always been curious about the polymer/striker-fired guns. They are obviously very popular and although I don’t consider myself a collector by any means, my experience of the different popular actions would be sorely lacking if it didn’t at least try a striker-fired gun. Also, it may just have some relation to me wanting to convert my DA/SA to DA-only as the striker-fired guns have a consistent trigger pull each and every time and in both, there is no initial procedure to perform, just draw and squeeze the trigger. So, I was chatting with a fellow CGN’r about his Steyr. He invited me out to his range to try it and he also brought along a Glock 34, which the competition version of the 17. I did not like the trigger on either. I fired the Steyr pretty well though. I did not shoot the Glock with much consistency at all. This comparison thing using a single box of ammo is pretty unfair in my opinion as each gun is different and I have done plenty, with little effort, on my hand guns to make them way smoother so comparing them now to similar off-the-shelf models would not be a fair comparison. Having said all that, and even though all of these factors can be modified, the most important aspects are the grips, sights and trigger. These guns just did not feel good to me. Anyway, my interest was not diminished. After more reading, I found a number of folks indicate that the 19 was a fair bit different than the 17 and 34. So I found another fellow on CGN who was selling a 19. Turns out goes to my range. So he invited me out to try it. I only put 2 mags (20 rounds) through it and loved it. Despite the finger grooves (which can be eliminated) it felt really great in my hands, the trigger was real nice, I had no issue with the sights and I shot it really well. This was a stock gun. Unfortunately, by the time we got together, he changed his mind about selling it. So I bought one the next day from IRunGuns. I have no expectation the one I get will be the same as the one I tried, but I am hoping it will at least be close. So to really answer your question, the trigger is nowhere near as nice as my single actions guns (revolvers or semis) but it is consistent which is all I ask for. I can’t offer much more at this time other than the fit which I previously mentioned. I was expecting more recoil with the shorter barrel but I think because the fit is so good, I can hold it really well and so found it to have very little in the way of recoil. Can report more later. By the way, my step-son just bought his first hand gun. Wanted to do it on his own. Bought from a store front. A couple of bucks more perhaps but is establishing his own relationship with the local outfit. Works for him. In your case, I support the same approach but with the Glock 19, you don’t have a lot of options.
This is a very personal thing. When I think starter, I think of calibre first, then action, and gun is one of the last things up for consideration. So 9mm is not a bad first round at your age (you are obviously not 10 years old). You still may want a 22LR. All the big boys have them and shoot them so you will not be doing yourself a disfavour to get one, either with the 9mm, or as a first. By getting a 22lr first, you will be able to buy at your local gun store much easier (versus a Glock 19). As far as action goes, I would recommend a revolver or a DA-only or SA-only. Semi-auto seems to be more appealing to younger folks so your choice is reasonable in my books (for what it is worth). As far as the gun goes, Glock has a great name, you seem to like them, so the only other factor is how it fits you personally. Like dirt bikes, guns are one of those things that you just can’t go into a store and try (for the most part). Try the rental place. You have to have a membership at a range anyway so go to some meetings and ask if there is any one with a Glock 19 willing to let you hold it. Likely they will invite you out to shoot it. You can decide from there. Try to keep your mind open to not liking it, just in case. There are tons of great 9mm out there. Regardless, be safe and have fun!
Thanks for the info, makes a lot of sense and you hit some things right on the head...Im 33 but I look younger, even the lady at the gun lic school took a second look at my ID and said I dont look 33 LOL....Anyways I am the opposite of you in terms of style, I like the modern tactical looking stuff, plastic/steel and all black....Not so much into the wood grain handles and revolvers, although I have no doubt as my experience and collection grows I will probably end up owning a few. And I totally get the fact guns are not made to fit everyone ergonomically, so what you want may not end up being the best gun for you. And I also like to modify everything I own, so that is a big part of this hobby that I also like and look forward to learning about.
I dont know how long Im going to have to wait for the lic to arrive, but please share your experience here when you get your 19.....
My friend asked the range he goes to, and they said they have an over a year long waiting period to be a member! He said since he is a member there they are going to see what they can do to get me in faster...He did say that I should be able to get a ATT to shoot there if they give me a temp invite to shoot, or I can always go as a quest with him and shoot his stuff...Its funny because he is a wood grain revolver and antique collection kinda guy, but my interest in the tactical stuff now has him looking at the stuff I like... So it should be fun when I get going, as we can try each ohters stuff out and get a taste
Me too! Mom tells a tale of me unscrewing the door knobs in the house when I was 5 or 6! Dad must have been away at the time
I really like the mechanical aspects of the guns, almost as much as shooting them. But I don't think I would get too much pleasure tinkering with someone else's firearm...as in, I have no aspirations to be a gunsmith.Will do
One of the great things about the sport! Folks love to share their experiences and let other folks try out their gear.
Me too! Mom tells a tale of me unscrewing the door knobs in the house when I was 5 or 6! Dad must have been away at the time
Will do
One of the great things about the sport! Folks love to share their experiences and let other folks try out their gear.
Yes I dont think I would work on anyone else gun as a gunsmith, just myself and friends if they trust me...
One thing I would like to look into is the legality and requirements I would need to do cerakoting of firearms, as I am a part owner of a custom powdercoating shop. I have an oven and most of the equipment required to do those types of coatings...
Ha!
...you have just opened up a can of worms with that statement. You will make lots of friends on the is site too! I would start a new thread with "powdercoating" and "cerakoting" in the subject line if you care to.I promised I would get back to you on this once I had a chance to take the Glock 19 to the range. Sorry it has taken so long but I just got out last weekend. Let me back up. I've had the pistol at least a couple of weeks so I’ve been dry firing in the mean time. I really like the grip. The gun fits super-nice in my hand and much better than the 17 IMO and real natural for a thumbs-forward hold. I did notice at first the muzzle was pointing up a little from what previously was my natural hold but after dry firing for awhile, it now comes up right on target... I just had to cant my support wrist a little more than what I was previously used to. The stock sights are really good for me; I can pick up a target really quick with them. I quite like them. The trigger...I understand some folks prefer the flat trigger face of the 17. I get that. I don't mind the serrated trigger face but I expect I would prefer a flat one just a bit better. As for the pull...there is a bit of (obvious) initial slack that is easy to accommodate and then a very consistent, smooth, medium length pull to the break point. I don't know the weight but it is not significant. I have found the break to be a bit of a surprise every time, even after a lot of dry firing. That is a good thing for me as it keeps me from trying to anticipate and I just pull right through. There is no over-travel. None! When I watch the front site (dry firing) it does not move at all off the target when the trigger breaks. I cannot say that about all of the guns I have.
I heard new Glock mags have stiff springs and that it is recommended to load them up and leave them that way for a week, so I did that. I noticed however that one of the three mags does not cause the slide to remain open when there are no rounds in it. Maybe a weak spring, not sure. Called IRunGuns and am waiting for their response.
When I shot it at the range, the two other mags ran fine, no issues. I did however notice that inserting a fully loaded mag when the slide closed was closed, made it hard to rack the slide back to load the chamber...I read that is common. It still works okay but I changed my sequence and just racked the slide back before popping in the mag.
Got some really nice groups when I focused on my shooting and some average groups when I did not. To be expected. I got a little more muzzle rise than I was expecting (as I recalled from my previous experience with a friend's 19) but it is not bad for such a small and light gun. It sits so tight in your hands and I think that provides a fair bit of control and ability to keep it on/return it to target.
Overall I put about 100 rounds through it, all 147 grain (because that is all I had). I shot it alternately with my Beretta 92g. The 92 has a longer barrel, is heavier (still has an alloy frame so not all steel like a CZ for example) but doesn't have as nice a trigger as the Glock. So the 92 showed a little more control shot to shot but lost ground on the trigger pull. Although the trigger on my 92 is very smooth and light (both DA and SA), it does have a longer pull, a longer reset, and a little over-travel. Groups tended to be better with the Glock at closer distances 7-20 yards but better with the 92 at 25 yards and beyond. That was just my experience. It was not a scientific test by any means, I just tried to give the same focus and pace on each test at each distance. All shooting was free-hand.
I was expecting to have a better experience shooting the Glock 19 but perhaps that was because I had such a good experience with it when dry-firing. I did not miss the bulls-eye once when dry-firing! Ha! I don't want to give the impression I was disappointed, far from it, I just need to spend more time with it live firing and perhaps try some different loads. It is an awesome little package. I hope that helps anyone who is curious.
mudgunner49
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The question that needs to be asked is "Can you shoot well enough to even tell the difference???"...
That question may be helpful for some folks, but for other folks who don't have the same values, there is no question; they just decide what they want based on any factor that appeals to them, and then buy it. Not in that tax bracket myself...
mudgunner49
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Yeah, I get that and I'm not saying that you shouldn't buy whatever rubs your Buddha, but some guys have their mind made up beforehand and are looking for validation. Buy it, shoot it and then change it IF it doesn't do what you expected it to.
But that's just me, basing my decision on reason and performance rather than worrying about if my grips are going to match my belt...
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With a "one day" return policy (from time of receipt) and a 100% restocking fee how could you go wrong?
I guess the thread I was posting to got closed and my comment ended up on here some how?
RETURN POLICY:
If you ever have any problems with a purchase please contact us directly
Return privilege: All products not considered Large orders or Pre-Orders, are sold with a one-day (from receipt of order) “no questions asked” return policy.
No returns or refunds will be accepted after Shipping of your products we also reserve the right to confiscate the 100% pre-order payment as a restocking fee on all items. If you do contact us within 72hours of receiving notification from are establishment of the arrival of your product/ ammunition. As we are taking the risk of ordering you the product, holding the product in are warehouse and having to re-sell it at are expense if your account balance is not paid in full.
With a "one day" return policy (from time of receipt) and a 100% restocking fee how could you go wrong?
I guess the thread I was posting to got closed and my comment ended up on here some how?
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