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Hello,

I'm in a bind here. I just started this season getting into handguns, and I am very sold on GLOCKs.

I bought a G17 and put a few hundred rounds through it (and started handloading too), but I'm looking to expand. I want something with more power than the G17 but is easy to handload, economic for ammo, and with greater range.

I bought a collapsing shoulder stock for my G17 and I easily have 50m range unsupported, standing - I want to see if I can push that limit. At the same time, next year I want to try IDPA or IPSC, so I want to have an alternate gun for that purpose.

I have been considering the GLOCK 20, 21 and 31.

I'm fascinated by the .357 sig's high velocity - my thinking being "Higher velocity, longer range," but I'm concerned that the bottleneck case may be difficult to reload and that it may be harder to find bullets for handloading.

I've heard the 10mm's high pressure has tendancy to take a heavy toll on the gun, and I'm worried that even handloading it may be quite expensive.

The .45 ACP sounds like a more widely available calibre, both in terms of supplies and information. The big problem I have with it is the stigma of "slow but heavy."

So, does anyone have any recommendations on what a new GLOCK'er and handguner should do?
 
357 sig uses the exact same diameter bullets as 9mm Luger, they just called it 357 because they were trying to duplicate the ballistics of 357 magnum. They're both .355 calibre.

Have you thought about a competition model Glock, like a G34 or G35?
 
There's more to guns then just Glocks. You have one, I'd say now try something else...

Handguns are considered to be 25yard guns. For the long range shooting I you need a carbine or AR/rifle...9mm is fairly flat shooting caliber - the bullet can travel FAR beyond 50yards!! The problem is being accurate beyond 50 yards and with a handgun it's NOT very easy to do (esp if you just starting out). I don't think .357sig or 10mm handgun will perform that much (if any) better.

I'd recommand a Beretta Cx4 carbine it comes in 9mm .40 and .45 and you can shoot it with decent accuracy up to 100yards.
 
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One day at the range I was going to shoot plates (8"). I stopped to talk with one of the old bullseye shooters. He said I should shoot from where we were talking, 50 yards :eek:.

The gun I was going to shoot was a war P38 with a gritty trigger and not the best looking bore. I had not checked the gun with the ammo I had. I had no idea what to expect. What the hell why not.

Standard bullseye stance, one handed of course. The P38 has a narrow front sight and a larger U shaped notch in the back sight. Well out of the eight shots in the mag I knocked over six of the plates. :)

At the last CDP (IDPA) shoot we had there was one stage with a tip over target at 50 meters. Quite a few of us knocked it over with the first shot. (First shot for me as well.)

If you have a decent gun (accurate and a good single action trigger) then beyond 25 yards is doable. Hell, they do it in the movies all the time. ;)
 
The big thing for me is I'm needlessly meticulous with how I maintain all my guns. I have a few .22 rifles (ruger 10/22, Coeey sureshot), a 12 guage (Nornico HP-9), and a .22 pistol (Norinco M93).

Being a Reservist, the attitude I take towards firearms I have is to spend an arduous amount of time cleaning my guns after firing them. I like how the plastic on the GLOCK frames seem to require next to no cleaning, thus affording me more time for other things. That's also a reason why I want to avoid any kind of rifle or carbine - I'd probably spend more time cleaning it than shooting it, just as we tend to do in the military (besides, if the poop ever hit the fan, I'd just drive down to my unit and I'd have a C7A1 waiting for me).

As for range, I rigged up my G17 like this http://cgi.ebay.ca/Ultimate-Accessories-Set-for-GLOCK-sling-for-free_W0QQitemZ140179400613QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3204QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and it shoots great at 50m. With my red dot, I'm talking 10cm groupings, standing using 115 gn CCI JRN's. I want to go GLOCK again as well, so I can reuse some of the accessories I've collected (duty belt, mag pouches, FAB holster, this stock)

Another reason I want to go GLOCK as well, is I'm very impressed by the alleged torture tests I've read up about them, and how many other guns can't match thier performance. That's not to say I'd go out and leave my gun in a puddle of sandy salt water for a week then run over it with my car and try firing it - but military culture and all, such ruggidness is a big seller for me.

Call me superficial too, but I also don't like the stigma most people outside the gun culture have against 9mm handguns - the bleeding heart Liberal type's tend to think it's the weapon of choice of gang members (and I belong to a visible minority where such an assumption may be justified), and the somewhat apathetic Conservative types tend to think they can throw a rock faster than my gun can shoot (I suppose because they tend to like hunting with .308's).

Call me crazy too, but I think as far as self defence goes (against Zombie's - because I know it's illegal as hell to use a handgun for self defence against people in this country, as BS as that is), I'm not totally convinced 9mm has the stopping power I'm looking for. I suppose bears and cougars would be another concern, but let's not even go there :p

Thanks for the responses though!
 
If you want to get into IDPA/CDP then stick with 9mm. I started out with a 38 Super 1911 and switched to a 9mm. The extra recoil sure wasn't doing me any favours. Much faster follow up shots with 9mm.

38 Super also uses the same bullets as 9mm, if you reload that is a fairly inexpensive way to get more power.
 
harbl_the_cat said:
I want something with more power than the G17 but is easy to handload, economic for ammo, and with greater range.
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Get a S&W 686 or if you want to spend the extra money (well worth it) a S&W 327 TRR8
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...selected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=

The S&W 327 TRR8 is one of the finest handguns ever made
you can attach lights, weights, lazers or a scope, and it shoots 8 rounds of either .357 or 38 special. It is fun to handload for. It is also "idiot proof" simply one of the best handgun choices available. In fact if you could only have 1 handgun, this should be it!

Use your G17 for IPSC, IDPA, PPC etc. etc.
Put 30,000 rounds through your G17 before you buy another Semi-auto handgun. Do you know what "Glock trigger reset", means?

One of the "best" Glocks is the Glock 20 you can get aftermarket 6 inch barells in both 10mm and .40 cal for it. The G21 is also very accurate and although "Big and Slow" as you say. The "subsonic" .45cal is always a pleasure to shoot. and because it is sub-sonic, very quiet at a distance.
 
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harbl_the_cat said:
because I know it's illegal as hell to use a handgun for self defence against people in this country,
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100% incorrect, if someone breaks into your house you can put 10 rounds of 9mm into him, there's not a court in the land that will convict you, that's assuming you are even charged!

(in the above .... I am speaking "generally", of course)
 
I like how the plastic on the GLOCK frames seem to require next to no cleaning, thus affording me more time for other things. That's also a reason why I want to avoid any kind of rifle or carbine - I'd probably spend more time cleaning it than shooting it
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Well the carbine I suggested - Cx4 has a plastic stock plus it's a Beretta ;) so you wouldn't have to clean it that oftem if you didn't want to...

9mm is just fine for target shooting and SD; don't listen to what other people say it's not an accurate caliber (BS!) or not being powerful enough for SD (also BS!)

Personaly I wouldn't want to have bunch of guns that are the same, I'd rather have a veriaty. Even if you want to stick to plastic there MANY choices aut there. But again it's your call... I'm not a huge glock fan, but don't hate them either (kinda want a G20 green myself), But they spand a LOT of money on advertising and marketing, which in part got them where they are now...What I'm saying is just because other guns don't advertise as much doesn't mean hey are not as (or more) durable or reliable...

Not sure at what distance you intend to shoot at, but as I said before I don't think another caliber Glock (or another service pistol) will make you a better shot past 50m. Handguns/service pistols were never meant to be long range weopons.
 
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Glock 20 for the 10mm power (and ability to get .40S&W barrel)

or a Glock 21 for being able to shoot '45 Super' if you load it and get a stronger spring and shock buff :D
 
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...Personaly I wouldn't want to have bunch of guns that are the same, I'd rather have a veriaty...
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I like a variety of guns as well (actually, a variety of a bunch of guns that are the same:D), but if the goal is accuracy than maybe sticking with what is essentially the same gun would be better (muscle memory and all that stuff). Possibly a .40 G35 as mentioned before would give the required increase in range.
 
Again I goubt it would make any reasonable difference in groop size...

For long range pistol shooting I'd recommend a 6"+ scopped magnum revolver - .357 or .44 should do just fine. OR waht about getting a longer/match barrel for the G17? Could be wrong but I think there is a 16" glock barrel. esp made for the shoulder stock use.
 
" I want to go GLOCK again as well, so I can reuse some of the accessories I've collected (duty belt, mag pouches, FAB holster, this stock)"

Please remember that not all Glocks have the same slide and frame. For instance, the .45ACP mags will not fit the standard 9mm and .40S&W mag pouches. Your regular G17 holster will not accommodate the 10mm or the .45ACP, but will fit the G22. The stock will not fit the 10mm, .45Gap or the .45ACP. because the frame opening is different.

You should use whatever works for you... accurate (whether is 9mm, .357Mag, 10mm, .40S&W or .45ACP); it should have enough power to drop a steel plate at 25 or 50 yards; it should be economic to shoot and reload as well as reliable (after all you do not want to end up with an expensive paper weight).

Therefore, if Glocks work for you... go with Glocks.

I am not saying Glocks are the best guns in the world, but IMHO, you will find very few handguns out there that will be as easy to work on (fix, accessorize, etc), clean and maintain as a Glock.
 
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I absolutely love my Glock-20 and Glock-29, as I'm a HUGE fan of 10mm

However, if I were to do it again, I'd probably get a Glock-21, and pick up a spare 10mm barrel and mags... then you have the best of both worlds.

You may be able to get a .45 barrel for a G20 too, though I haven't checked (I stick to 1911s for .45). I know you can get a .40 barrel for a G20, if you decide you want to shoot that caliber... and I believe you can even get a .357SIG barrel for a G20, if you really wanted to

so many choices!
 
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