where did you get the 300 round figure??? Majority of ontario LEO's have the opportunity to attend the police ranges at any time to practice. I agree that some folks will stick with the minimum but some actually value the opportunity to improve. TPS uses 1st and 2nd gen GLOCKS and re-issues them to new recruits . They had them since new (92 or around there was when LEO's in ontario switched from revolvers to semi's). Very few problems with them. Nothing like you described.
Glock fatal design flaw?
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where did you get the 300 round figure??? Majority of ontario LEO's have the opportunity to attend the police ranges at any time to practice. I agree that some folks will stick with the minimum but some actually value the opportunity to improve. TPS uses 1st and 2nd gen GLOCKS and re-issues them to new recruits . They had them since new (92 or around there was when LEO's in ontario switched from revolvers to semi's). Very few problems with them. Nothing like you described.
Steve David
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Very. I amazes me how people who do not like certain things can make up good stories, this is a load of BS, guns from S&W, HK, SIG, Beretta whom ever will break just as much. These are two of the Glock haters who do not like the simple point of how popular the Glock is.
RevolverRodger
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Here is an theoretical example for the lowminds:
Glock
Failure rate = 1 in 1 000 000
Number of pistols sold = 10 000 000
Failures observed = 10
Other pistol
Failure rate = 1 in 100
Number of pistols sold = 1
Failures observed = 0
Glock
Failure rate = 1 in 1 000 000
Number of pistols sold = 10 000 000
Failures observed = 10
Other pistol
Failure rate = 1 in 100
Number of pistols sold = 1
Failures observed = 0
You boys just wait until TDC gets home!
NAA.
Nothing for me to post, others have covered the issues at hand. I sense I've gained a reputation on this site?? For those who find me annoying, you can put me on your ignore list. Others have..
As for the Glock model 22(or the .40 cal Glock problems) the issue has been solved by running 180 gr ammo. Apparently the 165 gr is too light and with the addition of the weapon light the pistol doesn't cycle reliably. I couldn't say, I don't own any .40 cal pistols.
TDC
Steve David
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There are plenty of Gen3 Glocks in service with TPS and new recruits are being issues the Gen 3.
Now, I have been shooting Glocks since 1989 and an Armorer since 1995 and some of the BS stories I have heard here I have never heard before. Can some one explaining this apparent relationship of failure between Glocks with not the same gaps, 165gr ammo and lights attached?
The feeding problem with the Glock .40, was it was not designed for any add ons ie. even lights. What was happening was that the mag springs were redesigned with 10 coil mag springs from 11 coil springs and with the addition of the lights on the new frame guns, it threw off the harmonic balance of the gun enough in recoil due to the 10 coil spring not having enough power to not feed the next round, cause double feed jams, etc. Once this issue was brought to Glocks attention, which I understand they were already aware off, after enough complaining, the springs were then returned back to 11 coils, it had nothing to due with bullet weight. As far as cracking frames, that is few and far between, much less then other manufacturers.
#1bcshooter
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Never experienced a problem
But then again I shoot a SIG
lol
But then again I shoot a SIG
lol
"Some folks"? Oh come on. Are you saying that the majority of LEO's do more than their minimum qualification? My experience has been that the VAST majority do not.
Ridiculous. I'm talking about shooting technique and how it affects the supposed damage to Glocks, not the ninja style training you feel cops get.
Your average IDPA / IPSC shooter would be much better shooters than the average LEO (other than the few that take part in sports shooting themselves).
While I disagree that LEO's receive the level of "combat" training that you say LEO's receive (most, in my experience, are absolutely woeful shots), this has nothing to do with techniques which the original poster claims causes damage to Glocks.
First, I don't own a glock but I've shot a few. When I noticed the 4 lip holding the slide I said to myself.. "Hum, seems week, but if it works..". Never heard of that kind of problems and I got some friends who got some 20k+ rounds on their G17 without any issues.
As for the "space" between slide and frame, I never really checked so I wouldnt know. Next time I visit my local store, I'll check it out
Concerning TDC's comments, as far as I'm concerned, he seems base his comments on facts and personal experience, which I value more than "I've heard that... " crap. Keep on going
As for the "space" between slide and frame, I never really checked so I wouldnt know. Next time I visit my local store, I'll check it out
Concerning TDC's comments, as far as I'm concerned, he seems base his comments on facts and personal experience, which I value more than "I've heard that... " crap. Keep on going
Glocks biggest problem is they dont have a disclaimer "If you cant shoot or you cant make good reloads then dont use this gun "
Glock are fine !!!! sure they may not be a accurate as some guns but they work very well and can be modded to shoot better.
I love SIG! and think its the best combat pistol around "so does the SOF world" But glock comes in second
"Glock are fine !!!! sure they may not be a accurate as some guns but they work very well and can be modded to shoot better.
I love SIG! and think its the best combat pistol around "so does the SOF world" But glock comes in second
easyrider604
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Many LEOs are not gun savvy because their job is not about shooting guns per se, but serving and protecting the public. The use of guns is just incidental to doing their job.
Us shooters enjoy playing with guns, period. We eat, drink, sleep and dream guns. That's why in terms of proficiency, we can be better then many LEOs. But in an actual defensive situation, who knows what we can do.
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Just a disambiguation - by "new shooters" I mean someone who's has zero experience shooting a handgun, such as first time shooters who have never fired a gun in their life.
The point I was trying to make was that "new shooters" limp wrist more often than non-"new shooters". Once you've gained some experience shooting, you're no longer a "new shooter" and eventually learn how not to limp wrist (or do it less often).
We all know limp-wristing makes you're shots go wild, and for us, in the pursuit of improving our accuracy train ourselves not to do it (regardless of the gun you shoot). What we don't normally consider is the fact that limp wristing also introduces a vibration into the gun it wasn't designed for. ANyone who has every worked with any kind of machinery knows that unintended vibrations causes stress on it's components, eventually to the point that they fail.
Take a machine, a gun, and introduce constant, unintended vibrations such as those caused by constant limp wristing, it introduces stress to it's components and sooner (rather than later) those components fail. Don't introduce those vibrations, the components are under less stress and don't fail (or last a lot longer).
I'm willing to bet that public ranges that primarily have first time shooters as their clientele have the problem with crack frames on their handguns quite often because their guns are constantly under the stress of limpwristing that stresses their components in a way guns owned by private owners aren't.
Please don't let this thread degenerate into a police/military training bashing thread.
The point I was trying to make was that "new shooters" limp wrist more often than non-"new shooters". Once you've gained some experience shooting, you're no longer a "new shooter" and eventually learn how not to limp wrist (or do it less often).
We all know limp-wristing makes you're shots go wild, and for us, in the pursuit of improving our accuracy train ourselves not to do it (regardless of the gun you shoot). What we don't normally consider is the fact that limp wristing also introduces a vibration into the gun it wasn't designed for. ANyone who has every worked with any kind of machinery knows that unintended vibrations causes stress on it's components, eventually to the point that they fail.
Take a machine, a gun, and introduce constant, unintended vibrations such as those caused by constant limp wristing, it introduces stress to it's components and sooner (rather than later) those components fail. Don't introduce those vibrations, the components are under less stress and don't fail (or last a lot longer).
I'm willing to bet that public ranges that primarily have first time shooters as their clientele have the problem with crack frames on their handguns quite often because their guns are constantly under the stress of limpwristing that stresses their components in a way guns owned by private owners aren't.
Please don't let this thread degenerate into a police/military training bashing thread.
Exactly what it sounds like.
With your strong hand, when you shoot, your wrist goes limp. Try using a hammer, and you'll see your hand pivots on your wrist. When you shoot a handgun, limp wristing is just that - your hand pivots as the gun recoils because your wrist is limp.
To prevent limp wristing, your wrist should be locked, so the rearward kinetic energy of the slide extracts the chambered shell casing and chambers a new one. By limp wristing, some of that kinetic energy is absorbed as your wrist absorbs some of the recoil. This loss of energy causes misfeeds, failure to extracts, and poor accuracy.
Funny how a few new shooters can ruin a GLOCK, but itll go through all of this: http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item , and still work perfectly... I guess the guy never limp wristed.
Thats awsome... my gun has been in the snow/ rain many times without being dryed after (cause I really want to clean my gun at 8AM after a 12 hour shift) and I've never even had a hint of rust... even after leaving it in a leather holster for a week long stretch.
To be honest... I only clean/ lube my GLOCK every couple of months.
And dont clean everytime I go to the range either - not even close.
