Glock Gen 5??

true, but used guns are not really an indication of sustainability of a firearms manufacturer. it also shows that without the comfort of big govt and military contracts, Glock is not the most valued by average new gun buyers. Their failing sales and income are also suggested by the rush to release Gen 5 of pretty much same thing.

Yeah, I don't see any truth in this.
 
Gen 5 may be pretty much the same thing, but Glock has taken all the constructive criticisms as to what would be better, and fixed them. These are all changes that Glock guys want.
 
I'm debating on buying my first pistol, glock 17 gen 4 9mm grey frame. Rpal just came in

Try before you buy. The finger grooves will ether fit, or be a constant irritant that ruins your shooting experience.

Worst case, wait for the Gen5 to hit stores in a month or two.
 
Gen 5 may be pretty much the same thing, but Glock has taken all the constructive criticisms as to what would be better, and fixed them. These are all changes that Glock guys want.

Not quite all, I would say. I'd have liked to see:

-Steel sights as standard with either a fibre-optic dot in front or Glock factory night sights all around. These options exist and virtually every law enforcement order specs these sights, so it's not an unreasonable request.
-under-cut trigger guard - something EVERY aftermarket frame has and would be easy to do, so the weak hand could choke up higher on the gun.
-the end to gimmicky rifling - just copy the Lone Wolf LWD-17N, nitride it, and call it done. We deserve rifling such that glock can recommend lead bullet use.
-Change the large rectangular serrations for standard sharp serrations like on a military 1911 slide. The glock ones are "ok", but sharp serrations would be more functional.
-Optional frame with no light rail. Light rails are just another snag point on a range-only gun IMHO, which is what most Canadian shooters use these for.

That's about it. Add these things to a Gen 5.5 and I think they'd be OK for a long time to come.

I don't need curvy aesthetics on a slide, fancy wavy S&W style serrations, lightening cuts, or any of that stuff. I don't need a threaded barrel or a super-light sub-5# trigger that won't make IPSC weight. I don't need fancy paddle mag releases, or de-cockers, stippling that looks like picasso did it, beautifully machined trigger bows, replaceable grip side panels, or fluted barrels. these are just useless gimmicks to catch the eye at the gun shop or that promise performance improvements that never realy manifest in anyone's groupings. Let other manufacturers worry about looking ###y for an extra $1000 dollars (i'm looking at you HK, Tanfoglio and Walther).
 
Not quite all, I would say. I'd have liked to see: ...
-the end to gimmicky rifling - just copy the Lone Wolf LWD-17N, nitride it, and call it done. We deserve rifling such that glock can recommend lead bullet use.

Though there's still conflicting info on whether this is the case, I think the Gen 5 has made the leap to conventional rifling. There also appear to be some internal changes.
 
Though there's still conflicting info on whether this is the case, I think the Gen 5 has made the leap to conventional rifling. There also appear to be some internal changes.

I hope so but I've not seen a clear picture yet. Also, Glock has been notorious for generous military chambers that are hard on brass, bulged brass, etc.

I'm not taking a gen5 to war, so a nice commercial match chamber with increased case support would be appreciated.
 
I'm assuming this will be your first pistol. Glocks are awesome but not for everyone. Best to try a bunch of guns and calibers first. You may eventually still end up with a Glock but it will be an informed decision.
I agree--I like Glocks a lot but they are not very forgiving and can be an easy gun to shoot poorly.
 
I heard from the Glock rep that it should be in september for the Canadian G19

I think that is supposed to be a Gen 4. If it has the crappy flat parkerized type finish like most of the recent guns before the new Gen 5 finish, I will pass.
 
If those stats are generated by Gun Broker they'd be for civilian sales and only in America. Those numbers may or may not include used guns. Mil and LEO tend to buy in rather large quantities. Those are also only individual models, not numbers right across the manufacturer.

The civilian gun market in the US is huge. I would wager a fair sum there are more handguns in civilian hands in the US then there are in the rest of the worlds armies and civilian markets combined. Folks buy what they can afford and what they want the gun for from my experience along with a huge dose of marketing.

The Glock is a great design that certainly is getting updated with the Gen 5. For all intent and purpose the Gen 5 is virtually a new gun. New barrel, new trigger group, new slide, new frame, new sights what else is there on the gun. Aside from a small handful of interchangeable parts nothing else on the Gen 5 is compatible with previous iterations. It still says Glock on the slide so it must be the same gun. :>) and it does use the same mags. Give Glock credit they risk a lot when they redesign their flagship pistol. Remaining the same though is not an option either as the marketplace is crowded.

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Bob
 
The civilian gun market in the US is huge. I would wager a fair sum there are more handguns in civilian hands in the US then there are in the rest of the worlds armies and civilian markets combined. Folks buy what they can afford and what they want the gun for from my experience along with a huge dose of marketing.

The Glock is a great design that certainly is getting updated with the Gen 5. For all intent and purpose the Gen 5 is virtually a new gun. New barrel, new trigger group, new slide, new frame, new sights what else is there on the gun. Aside from a small handful of interchangeable parts nothing else on the Gen 5 is compatible with previous iterations. It still says Glock on the slide so it must be the same gun. :>) and it does use the same mags. Give Glock credit they risk a lot when they redesign their flagship pistol. Remaining the same though is not an option either as the marketplace is crowded.

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Bob

It is not a new gun, it's a catered tweak of their existing design.
The barrel is more marketing crap as the polygonal rifled barrels are plenty accurate.
The trigger was modified not redesigned, more catering to idiots who simply can't work a two stage trigger.
The slide has been dehorned, a process you can have done to any pistol and one that has zero effect on performance or reliability.
The frame has the finger tabs removed which anyone can do and also has no effect on performance or reliability and the 0.10" flared mag well is not something that makes a difference either. The cutout in the front for manual removal of magazines was present in previous generations then removed. It too can be added by anyone with a dremel and some spare time.
Sights are interchangeable on any decent pistol, the fact Glock OFFERS different sights is nothing more than marketing.

The Gen 5 is simply a close replica of the FBI gun and plenty of people want the same gun as what is used by XYZ department or MIL unit.
 
The civilian gun market in the US is huge. I would wager a fair sum there are more handguns in civilian hands in the US then there are in the rest of the worlds armies and civilian markets combined. Folks buy what they can afford and what they want the gun for from my experience along with a huge dose of marketing.

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Bob

Well, I'd take that bet regarding ownership, but that being said my point remains. The Shield being the best seller and the 19 being 4 or 5 on the list on Gun Broker doesn't necessarily indicate how either brand sells as a whole. Ie, My local gun shops best selling model isn't made by its best selling brand.
 
Well, I'd take that bet regarding ownership, but that being said my point remains. The Shield being the best seller and the 19 being 4 or 5 on the list on Gun Broker doesn't necessarily indicate how either brand sells as a whole. Ie, My local gun shops best selling model isn't made by its best selling brand.[/QUOTE]


Well if it makes you feel better I don't think it is either. The Glock 19 is one of the most popular CCW guns in the US. If the Shield is out selling the 19 on the used market it is only because it is cheaper than the 19. I think the 19 is the better pistol.

One estimate puts the number of handguns in the hands of Americans to be 111,000,000. According to Beretta's website they have delivered 650,000 M9 pistols to the US armed forces since 1985. You probably can add on 50,000 - 100,000 other brands. You are free to attempt to count the number of handguns owned by civilians outside of the US. Good luck. I might be inclined to limit my wager to a beer next time you are in town.

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Bob
 
I like that you can take a G4 and turn it into any thing you want. All additions sound good though in G5. I hope for a G5 G20 MOS with co-witnessed sights. Perhaps the biggest win for me is not having to buy another barrel for my hand gun to shoot lead bullets. Other then that
..its still a Glock.. .reliable, simple and safe.
 
I like that you can take a G4 and turn it into any thing you want. All additions sound good though in G5. I hope for a G5 G20 MOS with co-witnessed sights. Perhaps the biggest win for me is not having to buy another barrel for my hand gun to shoot lead bullets. Other then that
..its still a Glock.. .reliable, simple and safe.

You can shoot lead in a polygonal barrel, you just have to clean it more often and keep an eye on it.
 
That's a bad idea....you can get an over pressure issue real quick. Lead bullets need rifling not polygonal rifling. I see your point but it's dangerous an extra cost to put a good rifles barrel on which makes to me a gen 5 more attractive then a gen 4.
 
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