glock vs xd
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What exactly was wrong with the mags that they required "major tuning"? And are you sure that your tuning was not responsible for the gun FTF'ing left and right?Bartledan said:
Not calling BS, but I find it difficult to believe that you've got 10 defective factory mags in a row, considering that the XD enjoys a pretty good overall reputation.
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Bartledan said:
I don't doubt the veracity of your statement about your mags, but I must say that I find it somewhat unbelievable. Were they genuine SA XD mags? I have been using my original 10 mags for 3 years now and have never had a FTF or a mag problem.
The ONLY problem that I had with my 3-year old XD40 was the tip of its ejector broke off. I have no idea when this happened, as the gun continued to function perfectly. I only noticed it when I bought a new XD9 and realized that the XD40's ejector was a bit shorter than it should have been.
Wolverine Supplies took care of it for me....what a great company to deal with.
Just one comment...if I bought a new pistol and all 10 mags didn't function, I'd be inclined to look at the ammo first, the pistol second, and the mags last.
how do you get 10 faulty XD mags in a row? Than proceed to file them down with a dremel and bend them with pliers, after the "major" the gun has FTF's all over the place? odd to say the least. I think six star may be on to something, with ammo or something other than the mags. I have a dozen plus mags and no problems at all.
I don't notice the grip safety at all on my XD. But then again I am used to it from my 1911. I know some people pin them...but I see no need for my purposes. I would go with the XD hands down having shot both of them. I think the XD is beefier and points way better than the glock IMHO.
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I know several shooters who liked the XD except for the grip safety...I personally don't have a problem with it, and don't even notice it when I'm shooting. I simply isn't an issue. However, a shooter that I have a great deal of respect for has gone back to his Glocks after trying and selling an XD because he just couldn't get past the Grip Safety. To each his own, I guess.
I would hazard a guess that the Grip Safety is less of an issue for people with smaller hands, as is the XD's grip itself.
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I didn't mind the grip safety on the several Xd's I've shot, although I think the bad taste for it comes from its relatively small size as compared to a nice beavertail on a 1911. You do notice it, but not enough to make a difference IMO.
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In my comparison I wasn't trying to say that one gun was better than the other...I was simply pointing out that they are not identical as previously claimed.
As for the locked action this is useful for those LEOs that have to keep their chambers clear...that was all it was incorporated for...it also ensures that the shooter has a solid grip on the gun before charging it and then shooting.
As for the Glock takedown have you ever tried to just depress one side of the lever and not both...not easy...better to press both sides which is why I made the mention of it as a two lever setup...because technically you have to press both down(even though it is one lever) to get a positive movement.
With the barrel, again I was simply making the point of comparison in difference between both pistols.
As to the absence of a hammer, Glock did not start the whole striker system design...it was started back in the late 1890s when some of the first semiauto pistols were developed...I believe the first true striker design was introduced in the early 1900s, the Nambu of 1902. Then came the HKP7 series, and then other designs followed until the Glock came into the picture. Glock only happened to combine numerous good features along with the striker fired system into a pistol that happened to get marketed correctly and then became popular. Nothing mystical about it at all.
As for the trigger safety, yes Gaston Glock came up with that idea, and although I do not prefer it on any pistol, I still like the idea. But I don't really care who copies the idea and incorporates it into their designs as it is a good idea to begin with. I just wont go waving the Glock Banner/Flag/Ensign everytime another polymer pistol comes out...nor do I complain that the designers are infringing on the originality of Browning every time another steel framed semiauto comes out that happens to use a double action or a single action hammer.
Just my observations...I am not interested in which one is "better"...just the differences between them was what my post was about.
As for the locked action this is useful for those LEOs that have to keep their chambers clear...that was all it was incorporated for...it also ensures that the shooter has a solid grip on the gun before charging it and then shooting.
As for the Glock takedown have you ever tried to just depress one side of the lever and not both...not easy...better to press both sides which is why I made the mention of it as a two lever setup...because technically you have to press both down(even though it is one lever) to get a positive movement.
With the barrel, again I was simply making the point of comparison in difference between both pistols.
The grip index angle is not the same between both pistols...nor is the web relief portion of the grip...the lower portion of the grips are different as well. The slides look nothing alike...the SA-XD has a contoured multi faceted profile whereas the Glock is plain jane slabslide profile...at this point I am wondering if you have ever handled or taken apart the XD yet.
As to the absence of a hammer, Glock did not start the whole striker system design...it was started back in the late 1890s when some of the first semiauto pistols were developed...I believe the first true striker design was introduced in the early 1900s, the Nambu of 1902. Then came the HKP7 series, and then other designs followed until the Glock came into the picture. Glock only happened to combine numerous good features along with the striker fired system into a pistol that happened to get marketed correctly and then became popular. Nothing mystical about it at all.
As for the trigger safety, yes Gaston Glock came up with that idea, and although I do not prefer it on any pistol, I still like the idea. But I don't really care who copies the idea and incorporates it into their designs as it is a good idea to begin with. I just wont go waving the Glock Banner/Flag/Ensign everytime another polymer pistol comes out...nor do I complain that the designers are infringing on the originality of Browning every time another steel framed semiauto comes out that happens to use a double action or a single action hammer.
Just my observations...I am not interested in which one is "better"...just the differences between them was what my post was about.
The mag problems that Bartledan had may be easy to explain. The .40 mags will fit into the 9mm gun and vice-versa... I have read that the wrong-caliber mags will work, with some tweaking....Possibly he was sold the wrong mags?
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Oh, and I have owned Glocks and currently own an XD40 and currently have a .45 acp XD on order @ Wolverine. I find the XD fits my hand much better than my Glocks. They are both reliable and accurate pistols, so it's really about which one feels better in YOUR hand. Shoot them both, if possible, (or at the very least hold and play with both) and then make your own decision.
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Oh, and I have owned Glocks and currently own an XD40 and currently have a .45 acp XD on order @ Wolverine. I find the XD fits my hand much better than my Glocks. They are both reliable and accurate pistols, so it's really about which one feels better in YOUR hand. Shoot them both, if possible, (or at the very least hold and play with both) and then make your own decision.
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I see what you're saying about the Glock takedown, I believe it was designed so you could not take it down one handed(rather one sided). I did not indicate that Glock started the striker type system in firearms. In regards to LEO's keeping their chambers clear I don't quite understand? Are you trying to tell me that LEO's don't carry their pistols chambered? If so I can assure you they do. An un chambered pistol is of no value. Perhaps you were referring to officers clearing their guns? In this case, if you can't do a physical and visual check of your gun and be confident it is not loaded without the use of CLI than you should not own firearms. AS much as I feel that CLI's are useful, they are completely unnecessary. Anyone who does not know the state of which his firearm is in without the aid of a CLI falls into the same category as the folks above. As far as I know revolvers have never had a CLI.
The XD slide is square in general shape, just like Glocks. Who else makes a square slide other than Glock? Who had square slides before Glock? I'd have to say no one is the answer to both those questions. Which leads me to believe that those who use square slides today are simply copying that design from someone else. Yes the XD and Glock are different pistols, but they do share some very similar characteristics such as those I mentioned previously.
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I see what you're saying about the Glock takedown, I believe it was designed so you could not take it down one handed(rather one sided). I did not indicate that Glock started the striker type system in firearms. In regards to LEO's keeping their chambers clear I don't quite understand? Are you trying to tell me that LEO's don't carry their pistols chambered? If so I can assure you they do. An un chambered pistol is of no value. Perhaps you were referring to officers clearing their guns? In this case, if you can't do a physical and visual check of your gun and be confident it is not loaded without the use of CLI than you should not own firearms. AS much as I feel that CLI's are useful, they are completely unnecessary. Anyone who does not know the state of which his firearm is in without the aid of a CLI falls into the same category as the folks above. As far as I know revolvers have never had a CLI.
The XD slide is square in general shape, just like Glocks. Who else makes a square slide other than Glock? Who had square slides before Glock? I'd have to say no one is the answer to both those questions. Which leads me to believe that those who use square slides today are simply copying that design from someone else. Yes the XD and Glock are different pistols, but they do share some very similar characteristics such as those I mentioned previously.
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I've got an XD .40, and just recently got a Glock model 22, so now I can compare directly ...
Bottom line, if not for the Glock's long proven reputation for reliability and ruggedness (give or take a few explosions), if I were to handle both in a gun store I would never consider the Glock over the XD. The XD simply feels much sturdier in the hand, and the internals look far better constructed. I have faith in Glock's well earned reputation though. I prefer the grip angle of the XD over the Glock, but I didn't like the lack of finger grooves, and I found it a little slippery. I also didn't really like the grip safety, because I had to hold the gun in a slightly uncomfortable position to reliably depress it. I recently got a Hogue Handall grip sleeve for it and it makes it a million-billion times better! It also disables the grip safety, in contravention of the legal warnings on the gripsleeve.
The Glock will take a little getting used to, but I like it so far. I also find the trigger on the Glock a little smoother than the XD. See my crappy pic below for a comparison, and demonstration of the Hogue grip (which I highly recommend for XDs):
Bottom line, if not for the Glock's long proven reputation for reliability and ruggedness (give or take a few explosions), if I were to handle both in a gun store I would never consider the Glock over the XD. The XD simply feels much sturdier in the hand, and the internals look far better constructed. I have faith in Glock's well earned reputation though. I prefer the grip angle of the XD over the Glock, but I didn't like the lack of finger grooves, and I found it a little slippery. I also didn't really like the grip safety, because I had to hold the gun in a slightly uncomfortable position to reliably depress it. I recently got a Hogue Handall grip sleeve for it and it makes it a million-billion times better! It also disables the grip safety, in contravention of the legal warnings on the gripsleeve.
The Glock will take a little getting used to, but I like it so far. I also find the trigger on the Glock a little smoother than the XD. See my crappy pic below for a comparison, and demonstration of the Hogue grip (which I highly recommend for XDs):
