Going to Hunt with a Silent Load... :)

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I wonder if a bullet was deliberatey made tumble if that would work well at close range. A couple weeks ago I was shooting some cat sneeze loads in my 45/70 that were tumbling and they grouped high in about 8 inches at 50 yards. Thought I heard about this being done in the nam.
 
and if you would have read the thread you would have seen that if I get a chance I am going to take this load after coyote, I will have to do a little more load developement for a cold weather load though 3 grs Tite-Group looses to much velocity when it is -26 degrees C.

So I will have to have a load designed for the cold temp to get the 300fps that I am planning on hunting deer with.
 
Man this seems like a pretty bad idea. If you're getting 1.5" groups why not just go with a head shot and not risk the penetration issue.

Some questions: Do you not have to wear Hunter Orange on a gun hunt out there? What use is the silence if the neighbours see a guy with a gun and dressed in orange anyway? Someone else brought it up but even if you shoot a deer successfully, can you track it without beeing seen and get it out in a likewise stealthy manner?
 
Camp Cook said:
and if you would have read the thread you would have seen that if I get a chance I am going to take this load after coyote, I will have to do a little more load developement for a cold weather load though 3 grs Tite-Group looses to much velocity when it is -26 degrees C.

So I will have to have a load designed for the cold temp to get the 300fps that I am planning on hunting deer with.
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I did read the thread, I started reading about 28 days ago. So far all it been is page after page of people telling you to use a bow and you saying you killed lots with bows but want more of a challenge and pretty much nothing else.
 
Some questions: Do you not have to wear Hunter Orange on a gun hunt out there? What use is the silence if the neighbours see a guy with a gun and dressed in orange anyway? Someone else brought it up but even if you shoot a deer successfully, can you track it without beeing seen and get it out in a likewise stealthy manner?
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I never take head shots anymore only aim for the big spot now.

and the answer is no we do not have to wear orange here...

I did read the thread, I started reading about 28 days ago. So far all it been is page after page of people telling you to use a bow and you saying you killed lots with bows but want more of a challenge and pretty much nothing else.
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So stop reading the thread... :p
 
Poor Cooky has had a hard ride by the:

- it's dangerous (it's not in my load manual!);
- it's unethical (you can only kill the way I do); and
- it's not my idea (it's original thought)

Crowd.

Keep up the good stuff. I look forward to future developments.
 
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Poor Cooky has had a hard ride by the:

- it's dangerous (it's not in my load manual!);
- it's unethical (you can only kill the way I do); and
- it's not my idea (it's original thought)

Crowd.

Keep up the good stuff. I look forward to future developments.
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lol. I love how at least 3 times a page each of these questions come up.
and add 'use a bow instead' to that list :p

As I said before, the 2x4 results makes this promising in my opinion. All I dislike is having to wait till sept 2010 to hear results. Till then we get to hear these same questions again :p
 
Cook,

I have some experience with heavy subsonics and reduced loads. First thing I'd suggest is an informal penetration test. See how much wet paper that bullet will penetrate. Wet phonebook is a decent and readily available flesh analog. Wood doesn't work well because it is hard and brittle.

Subsonic rifle bullets will not expand in flesh unless they are extremely soft cast lead. It is possible to modify the bullet so it will tumble in flesh but that is kind of a PIA. Your plan of utilizing an extremely large diameter, sharp edged meplat is sound. That will create the largest possible wound channel.

If the bullet can full penetrate a deer (which I think it might) then impact energy is a moot point. The bullet will not expend all its energy in the animal thus increasing velocity will not improve the terminal ballistics.

Look back to the times of the buffalo hunters. Millions of those huge animals were killed with large, heavy, slow lead projectiles that were not designed to expand on impact.

Your load details sound fine. However I'd suggest toilet paper as a wadding material over the styrofoam. The heat of the burning powder will melt the styrofoam and cause it to be deposited in your bore. TP solves that problem. As long as you are using a wadding material to keep the powder at the base of the case, the volume and burning rate of the powder is moot. Another thing you can try is to drill out the flash-hole to a larger size to allow more flash though and use magnum primers that create more flash. Both those help to ignite small powder charges more reliably.

Ignor the naysayers and the ignorant. If we listened to everyone who said it can't be done, we'd still be banging rocks together around a wood fire.

Sup
 
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