Going to Hunt with a Silent Load... :)

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I would like to see this load impacting watermelon wrapped in denim, or some other deer facsimile. The load seems very weak to me though.

I am sure you compared already, but a 22 rimfire as about 141 ft/lb of energy. A 00 buck at 974 fps produces 103 ft/lbs(Game getter)
 
I'm sorry can't help but think of this:

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Best of luck with your experiment - do film it, I'd love to see.
 
Froozen paintballs would be right there energy wise too.

To what you just said.
1. Energy and velocity are two very different things, and if you did mean energy then well, a average paintball weighs less than 3 grams, as upposed to a 450 grain bullet weighing 29 grams.
2. A frozen paintball has no more energy than a non frozen paintball.
3. You cannot "freeze" a paintball and then shoot it.
 
You know what amazes me? The man did the testing. He shot the low velocity rounds, saw what it can do and studied it. Yet all the experts are telling him it won't work because they say so. Before you say it won't work because you know better, try it or shut up and listen to someone who has. :slap:
 
You know what amazes me? The man did the testing. He shot the low velocity rounds, saw what it can do and studied it. Yet all the experts are telling him it won't work because they say so. Before you say it won't work because you know better, try it or shut up and listen to someone who has.
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Id be interested in seeing the results, The testing does seem appropriate.

Part of me still thinks this is stunt, that part of me is probably the jealous part that lives in Ontario and waits a whole year so he can hopefuly shoot one deer and believe me when I tell you that that part of me does not leave anything to chance when it comes to ammunition .

But hell, you live in the land of abundant wild game and have already bagged a great number and variety....give em' hell.

Id like see pictures or video..up to you. :)
 
CC, I'm impressed. When I played around with very low velocity loads in the .45/70 my problem was consistency. One load would drive the bullet fast enough to make a fence post shudder at 25 yards but the next would fall to the ground a dozen feet from the muzzle and badly foul the bore.

I don't recall what powder I used, it was a very long time ago, long before chronographs were affordable. Come to think of it, I think I do recall, but if that was the powder I chose, it was a poor choice for the application, and would explain the inconsistency. I thought as long as I had a good crimp on the bullet that it should produce consistent results, but this proved incorrect. I concluded that I would have to shorten the case before the consistency would improve. I've never liked the idea of fillers between the powder charge and the bullet, so I never experimented with any. Unfortunately I didn't peruse the matter, as in those days I was of the "more is better" mind set, rather considering that less might be more.

I'm curious to know, did you increased the size of your flash holes to improve ignition in the big case? A cast bullet should be less likely to stick in the bore than a jacketed slug, but you should consider the possibility, as a longish bullet is more prone to sticking than a shorter one. However, a long bullet with a long bearing surface will produce better accuracy at low velocity because it centers in the bore better than a bullet of equal length with a short bearing surface.

Some time back, when we were having a discussion concerning sub-sonic loads, Suputin sent me a pic of a rifle muzzle with the nose of a bullet protruding from it, and underlined the importance of lube on jacketed bullets when loaded to sub-sonic velocity. Naturally, the nonexistent report from these loads means that one must be vigilant in insuring he has a clear bore before firing a subsequent round. I loaded some very slow .45 auto rounds so I could shoot in the basement when I lived down south. Actually, the soft swaged bullets were primer driven, and would exit the barrel provided they were lubed but if I reused the same bullet, after a couple of firings without re-lubing, it would stick, and that was with only a 5" barrel. Accuracy was good enough for across the basement, and penetration was similar to a wax or rubber bullet, so I went back to wax bullets to avoid "sticks."
 
An ideal rifle for silent loads is the Springfield Trapdoor with the 32" barrel. The long barrel permits a more powerful load that still has a pressure that drops to close to zero at the muzzle, because that muzzle is further from the chamber. I've not tried silent loads myself, but I do plan to. I did shoot a 250 grain .45 cal bullet across my chrono at 298 fps out of an original Schofield, and that one put a 1/4" dent in a dried Manitoba Maple block of wood. With the Trapdoor, use a 500 grain bullet for more momentum at the same velocity. Soft cast lead bullets will not expand in meat at velocities below 1000 fps.
 
heres a question. do you think at that speed the bullet will mushroom upon impact?

No the bullets I am using will not mushroom the idea is for the wide flat meplat in this case the base of the bullet to create the wound cavity.

Think of this take a jacketed round nose 243/25/270/7mm/30 cal bullet after firing into anything you want it will expand to appr double its frontal diam the appr .450" meplated bevel base based bullet that I am using is already pre-expanded and the desired result is that it does not expand or lose it's shape.
 
An ideal rifle for silent loads is the Springfield Trapdoor with the 32" barrel. The long barrel permits a more powerful load that still has a pressure that drops to close to zero at the muzzle, because that muzzle is further from the chamber. I've not tried silent loads myself, but I do plan to. I did shoot a 250 grain .45 cal bullet across my chrono at 298 fps out of an original Schofield, and that one put a 1/4" dent in a dried Manitoba Maple block of wood. With the Trapdoor, use a 500 grain bullet for more momentum at the same velocity. Soft cast lead bullets will not expand in meat at velocities below 1000 fps.

Great thoughts I've been thinking about switching up to some 550gr bullets that I have wish I had some pure lead ones they would seal the bore and should give better more consistant powder burn/velocities.
 
I'd be tempted to load with an over powder wad and cornmeal filler as I do for my 43 mauser. I would think you'd have better consistancy than with the styrofoam filler. I'd love to see pics. If this really works I might try it in my mauser too.....
 
No the bullets I am using will not mushroom the idea is for the wide flat meplat in this case the base of the bullet to create the wound cavity.

Think of this take a jacketed round nose 243/25/270/7mm/30 cal bullet after firing into anything you want it will expand to appr double its frontal diam the appr .450" meplated bevel base based bullet that I am using is already pre-expanded and the desired result is that it does not expand or lose it's shape.

makes sense. So when you fired these rounds what was the sound equivelant to? a .22 subsonic?
 
makes sense. So when you fired these rounds what was the sound equivelant to? a .22 subsonic?

Yes but there are several different 22 sub-sonics that I have fired that are louder than other these 45-70 quiet loads were more like the quietest 22 sub-sonics.

I had thought about increasing the velocity and putting a shampoo bottle onto the barrel but technically that is a silencer so decided not too.
 
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