Going to Hunt with a Silent Load... :)
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That is the real challenge in hunting. Consistently shooting really big, record book class bucks isn't easy.
It's much more challenging to do that with a rifle than it is to shoot *any* buck with a bow/muzzleloader, handgun whatever.
Wrong Way
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OK, I just went and "did the test" as well.
I took out the crossbow, turned a .450 flat point out of a fishing weight, sunk a mchine thread into it and put it on an arrow....voila: A 45 calibre lead flat point.
Bow: Excalibur Equinox
Total arrow weight: 433 grains
Speed on Chrony: 311 FPS
15 yards on a 2X4
Results: Arrow penetrated 2X4, blew back end out, stopped before it hit the fletching
Lead tip deformed
So....the projectile WILL penetrate a 2X4
*BUT*
An arrow kills by bloodletting, a bullet kills via energy transfer/mass trauma...this load delivers NEITHER.
Hunting with this load would be EXACTLY the same as hunting deer with a flat point on an arrow....not real smart.
Fun for paper and watermelons maybe, but not a responsible choice for shooting deer.
I took out the crossbow, turned a .450 flat point out of a fishing weight, sunk a mchine thread into it and put it on an arrow....voila: A 45 calibre lead flat point.
Bow: Excalibur Equinox
Total arrow weight: 433 grains
Speed on Chrony: 311 FPS
15 yards on a 2X4
Results: Arrow penetrated 2X4, blew back end out, stopped before it hit the fletching
Lead tip deformed
So....the projectile WILL penetrate a 2X4
*BUT*
An arrow kills by bloodletting, a bullet kills via energy transfer/mass trauma...this load delivers NEITHER.
Hunting with this load would be EXACTLY the same as hunting deer with a flat point on an arrow....not real smart.
Fun for paper and watermelons maybe, but not a responsible choice for shooting deer.
The only minor thing I could point out about your test WW is that the SD of your hybrid projectile would be much higher than that of a short .45 bullet.
I agree with Gatehouse that wet newsprint is probably a better test media than lumber LOL.
I agree with Gatehouse that wet newsprint is probably a better test media than lumber LOL.
Wet newspaper would be interesting.
Silverado, wouldn't they have the same sectional density (If they weighed exactly the same)? I always thought sectional density was the relationship of cross sectional area (same for both as they are the same diameter) and weight (within a few grain).
Silverado, wouldn't they have the same sectional density (If they weighed exactly the same)? I always thought sectional density was the relationship of cross sectional area (same for both as they are the same diameter) and weight (within a few grain).
Pathfinder
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Both should have same SD as long as they are made of a compostion of the same density which is why Copper bullets are generally longer for the same given weights.
This is the stupidest idea I have ever heard of. As nearly everyone has said, and certainly everyone intelligent has said: This is not ethical, nor is it going to work. You're going to punch a 45 cal hole in some poor deer and it's going to run away and die in someone's yard because the bullet had no energy on impact.
You are a sorry excuse for a hunter, and I hope they can find something to charge you with when it's all said and done. Pathetic
You are a sorry excuse for a hunter, and I hope they can find something to charge you with when it's all said and done. Pathetic
Pudelpointer
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Come on FourTen, tell us how you really feel!
Thank you for not holding back but I have to ask do you have first hand experiences with doing this if not how can you make such a judgemental statement or are just spewing emotionally with no hard evidence to back up your statement?
I'm thinking it is the latter...
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I think anyone who can stalk to within 25 yards of a deer is a pretty good hunter. If you punch a 45 caliber hole in some "poor deer" blood will come out of the hole and it will die once the brain can no longer get oxygen. I believe that people who consider energy in any discussion of killing power have little knowledge of how bullets kill. Chances are it will not run far because it will feel a punch but not be disturbed by the sound of a shot. The question of ethics is a personal one and not everyone can agree that any form of hunting is ethical. There appears to be no law broken or even bruised to justify a charge being laid. If the experiment goes badly, I think you will find that CC is up to the challenge of locating and dispatching a wounded deer.
Years ago I read a book called "I Nuligak" it was the true story of an eskimo at the turn of the century, one of the chapters was on how he was lucky enough to aquire one of the new high powered rifles of his time it was chambered in 22 Short.
He hunted and killed many polar bears with this high powered rifle/cartridge combo...
He hunted and killed many polar bears with this high powered rifle/cartridge combo...
Brutus
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Arctic Hunter, a book written in the 1950's by one of the Helmericks has quite a few similar stories of life above the treeline in Alaska.Years ago I read a book called "I Nuligak" it was the true story of an eskimo at the turn of the century, one of the chapters was on how he was lucky enough to aquire one of the new high powered rifles of his time it was chambered in 22 Short.
He hunted and killed many polar bears with this high powered rifle/cartridge combo...
Good reading indeed.
Sorry for the deviation.....
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