Good semi-auto "hunting" rifles?

Gatehouse said:
Go over to the Black rifles forum and tlel those boys that using a semi is to make up for poor marksmanship!!:p :D

I would bet you large that there are plenty of semi shooters over there that could easily kick your bolt action ass with thier semi's!!!;)

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Don;t suppose they're hunters using those restricted firearms are they?

if some of you re-read my orginal statement you should see the word "often" come up.

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There are plenty of hutners that could outshoot you with thier semi auto rifles, too.:)

I think you made a Lieberal comment. "It's the gun that is the problem, not the person behind the trigger.";)
 
1899 said:
What is wrong with taking a single well placed shot with a semi-auto as opposed to a bolt action? With attitudes like yours there will soon be no "sport" for any of us.
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I think hunting with a semi is not as refined or romantic as hunting with a semi but that is just my feeling. I have been out with a semi on a number of occaissions and they are fun too. Especially when you are trying to hunt down a small and fast animal on the run that does not want to stay put so that you can get a good shot but still there nothing more romantic than a one shot kill. Ok you can now call my shrink...lol
 
smellofspentcasings said:
I've had bolt actions fail on me and semi's too. It can ruin a hunt or if a bear is charging you much worse. I'll take my semi's anyday though over my bolts . I never had a problem wiith my BAR.
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I have had this happen to me so many times then I tried some of the Russian made rifles. I have not had one action freeze on me yet but I do admit, I have not been out in areas or in weather as cold as when I was using my American rifles.
 
jwillmoore said:
I think hunting with a semi is not as refined or romantic as hunting with a semi but that is just my feeling. I have been out with a semi on a number of occaissions and they are fun too. Especially when you are trying to hunt down a small and fast animal on the run that does not want to stay put so that you can get a good shot but still there nothing more romantic than a one shot kill. Ok you can now call my shrink...lol
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You want Romance... go to the Rub and Tug.:eek:

Hunting is a diverse sport with many applications that calls for different firearms and different skills.....The closed-minded and inexperienced among us can bash semis, hunting cover, running game, or any other percieved threat to their one dimensional worlds... it is their loss:rolleyes:
 
I am not bashing semi I have a couple and like to take them out every once in a while. I am just saying that it takes more skill and more patience to use a bolt action because you only get one chance may be 2 if you are lucky. That is more appealing to me than a semi in the hands of some people that use them like an assault rifle.

Last season I was out with a friend who emptied a 10 rds clip trying to shoot a rabbit. He did not get it but filled the trees with lead. And that is why I prefer bolt. Especially when I am out with Mr. trigger happy the outing is more relaxed and quieter.
 
Gatehouse said:
There are plenty of hutners that could outshoot you with thier semi auto rifles, too.:)

I think you made a Lieberal comment. "It's the gun that is the problem, not the person behind the trigger.";)
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Go back and R E A D my orginal post it says nothing of the rifle, but, as I see it, the common reason for purchasing a semiauto rifle. Where did the challenging of my shooting ability come into this?

you're off in space on this one clarke.
 
Amphibious said:
I had 2 clients show up for a moose hunt this fall with semi autos....

when I asked them why they chose that particular action type...

"Well, I;m getting old and my marksmanship isn't what it used to be..."

This is the problem I have with semi & hunting. to often it is a crutch for poor shooting. Just keep throwing lead down range at a fast pace and you're bound to hit something!

you need a "fast handling" rifle? why a semiauto? bet a bolt gun swings just as easy as a semi... and the the time it takes you to pull the trigger is the same... .. oh you mean Fast RATE of firing... ah.... gotcha..... hmmmm....

if you like the idea of having a quick second shot, well good for you. if you NEED a quick second shot, maybe you should spend more time at the range....

FLAME ON!!! :D
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To make it easier for you, I considerately made the relevent sentance BOLD:)

You have a problem with a type of gun becasue it is often a 'crutch for poor shooting.'

If this isnt' what you intended, I suggest *you* go READ your post and correct it so that it is easier to comprehend...Because the way it reads, you based much of your argument on the reasoning of 2 elderly hunters.:confused:

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I lubricated my semi's with graphite for cold weather shooting as oil tends to get sluggish. Mind you I'm not in the prairies anymore so it isn't that cold here and oil works fine.
 
that and my time spent in ontario, the hunters I met while there, hunters I have met here in BC.... etc.

So how is that blaming the gun? I'm still trying to wrap my head around your "gun is the problem" statement? it;s the shooter that purchases such a rifle for the wrong reason that is the problem. To me it reads fine. I think we're both getting out signals crossed.

meh, I';m going to go chase some rabbits now...
 
If shooting at short range (100yds) where permitted my AR-180B works well for Deer. It is dead reliable, accurate, light and knocks them down fast. If provincial law states .243 or bigger the old SKS at <75yds is dog reliable, functions even when full of dirt and water but accuracy is just adequate. Like others mentioned the BAR is very good but weighs a ton as do others like the M14, Tok, Vore etc. Now if you were to live in the US the AR10 is the cats ass.

my $0.02

Brian
 
Amphibious wrote "This is the problem I have with semi & hunting. to often it is a crutch for poor shooting. "

The type of gun has nothing to do with the quality of the hunter or marksmanship behind it!
Some situations DO require more than one good shot!

If, what you said is what you meant:eek: then I'm sorry but I take offence to it!

Amphibious; How about answering this question for me!

What's the skill level of users of these types of actions??
Please answer in order
Single Shot?
Bolt action??
Lever action???
Pump action???
 
abbaswede said:
Thanks for your replies.



I think it's a bit strong to assume any one with a semi auto is just not a good shot by default. I've seen some mall ninjas and military guys with pretty good aim. Also, how do know it has to do with speed? I like to shoot my semi auto 22 at a casual pace really. Maybe I'm just to lazy to cycle a bolt myself, and want a gun that does it for me. :p
Really though, I was just curious. The BAR is the only semi hunter that has really peaked my interest. I think based on feedback I've received, it's probably a great rifle. Reports on the 7400 are mixed anyway, and the Winchester 100 is long out of production, and not that common. I've tried a couple of the SKS and other surplus rifles, but they're heavy, not very scope ready, ammo is often hard to get and corrosive, and some are not accurate. If I go semi, BAR would seem to be the way. :)
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hey man an M-305 is all i could aford at the time.
talk to ya all later
Riley
 
senior said:
What's the skill level of users of these types of actions??
Please answer in order
Single Shot?
Bolt action??
Lever action???
Pump action???
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I think you've got the order down pat Senior!:D
 
senior said:
Some situations DO require more than one good shot!
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In a hunting situation, doubtful. None where a semi would have ANY advantage over a singleshot, Bolt, lever, etc. NONE.

senior said:
The type of gun has nothing to do with the quality of the hunter or marksmanship behind it!
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Agreed.

to the rest of you:
I NEVER said everyone who owns a semi is a bad shot. you want to put words in my mouth? find me a quote where I said that or #### off.

I speak from my experience, "to often" means 99% of the SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE OWNERS THAT USE THEM FOR HUNTING THAT I HAVE MET use the high rate of fire as a crutch. why learn to shoot strait if you can machine gun the critter? was their attitude. funny, most of them were in Ontario.....

I'm done with with this thread. learn to read, the lot of ya.
 
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Amphibious said:
In a hunting situation, doubtful. None where a semi would have ANY advantage over a singleshot, Bolt, lever, etc. NONE.



Agreed.

to the rest of you:
I NEVER said everyone who owns a semi is a bad shot. you want to put words in my mouth? find me a quote where I said that or #### off.

I speak from my experience, "to often" means 99% of the SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE OWNERS THAT USE THEM FOR HUNTING THAT I HAVE MET use the high rate of fire as a crutch. why learn to shoot strait if you can machine gun the critter? was their attitude. funny, most of them were in Ontario.....

I'm done with with this thread. learn to read, the lot of ya.
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I think everyone has much to add here,but when you say a semi has nothing to add while hunting over a single shot!!!

You bring it right back to a Grey Hawk(blackpowder)or ruger#1!!!

Where a semi would greatly be superiour as you would have another shot ready without bolt motion or reloading!!!

How about your pistols and shotguns(no autos either)!!!

Bob
 
My friend lost a moose because he never got a chance to put a second bullet in. You can go ahead and say that the first one should have done the job. But it didn't.

On a Monday I like to hunt with a respectable 300WM. Under MOA it is usable on game over 700 yds. The one shot-one kill thing is more than rewarding.

On Tuesday I feel like going in the brush with a 45-70 lever action, making up for the close cover with a snappy rifle and a heavy round. Stealth is everything and I'm happy again.

Wednesey I hunt with a pump shotgun , getting on those wavey trails that remind me of nature's best.

Thursday nothing makes my day besides using a double 9.3mm. Two rounds that go like thunder and Europe's best. Happy again.

Friday there's 375 H&H's turn to come with me for an old Mauser action time.
No, I don't need a second shot. Neither does the game. My head spins, the eardrums are humming a weird tune, but as soon as I find North, I'll find what's left of my quarry.

Saturday......Hmmm, Should I go deer hunting with a M14 or get shopping for that Ruger#1 single shot, just so I can get in that circle of " respectable hunters" ?
Tell me, please, what's wrong with liking a repeater? Or a semi?
A quick search could reveal some regulations in Europe. There most game have a minimum cartridge length, weight and energy they can be taken with. Some stupid folks thought is more "sporty". None of the short magnums could be used for let's say hunting wild boar. But the same idiots said it's ok to use FMJs. Look it up - how much is the FINE if you miss.
If a hunter is defined by the firearm he uses, then please include me among the ones who like diversity and never missed a shot fired at any game.
Just luck, I guess! ... And I know the day will come I will miss, be it a single or semi. Just hope that I'll miss entirely!
 
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