LOL
No I cannot say I have ever spoke directly to either one of them( not that it means anything) in fact never heard of Patrick until spank mentioned it.I love skeet not trap so stopped following it when my dad stopped shooting it
However growing up with a yank dad who shot, followed and attended as many trap events as he could in the 70's I was dragged to many an event and did see Ray shoot either the 73 or 76 all american I cannot remember
Regardless the trapshooters form you note and no I am not a member but if I followed trap today would be and seen as a nice guy there also since it it a totally different subject matter and chatting with these guys if they participate
I am a member of similar like the 16ga.com or the 28ga society for years and we just don't have topics like we do here to even mildly disagree on so there is no need to argue as you say
That doesn't make the people there me included any better
There was a time when I saved crests from these events but they are buried somewhere . In fact I think I sent one to spank since he shot at some of the events I attended
Cheers
All be dammed have one