Got my 16" R92 trapper just about perfect...

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This gun started as a stock Rossi M92 trapper in .44 Mag, stainless, that I got from Frontier Firearms earlier this year. The gun is/was really handy, but needed some improvements as well.

For example:
- The bolt ejector guide was bent out of the box, so the gun would jam and not feed.
- The stock was the original Rossi wood that didn't "pop" very much.
- The sights, like all Rossi sights, pretty much sucked.
- The brass bead had fallen out of the front sight while in shipment.
- The action took the strength of Hercules to cycle.
- The trigger sear had a huge burr on it, so it broke at over 12 pounds (!)
- There were no plug screws in the scope mount holes Rossi drills under the factory rear sight.
- The fit and finish of the action was pretty lacklustre.

None of that stuff is bad enough to return the rifle, if you know what you're doing. The biggest issues were things Iwould have reworked anyhow.

Done to the rifle:
- Stevezguns ejector spring
- Stainless mag follower
- Re-stocked in black walnut, hand inlet tighter than a gnat's @rse, finished with 25 coats of Tru-Oil
- Vintage Redfield steel aperture sight installed (drilled and tapped) and new Marbles .560" front sight, milled with a relief cut to clear the barrel band
- Complete action job, including lightening of loading gate and trigger springs, total de-burr, polishing of bearing surfaces, etc.
- Metal re-finished to 220 grit satin
- Bolt safety removed, top of bolt counter-sunk to clean up the detent holes, stainless steel plug machined and interference fit to bolt and dressed.
- Lyman stainless dovetail blank
- stainless plug screws into the scope mount holes on the barrel (these come drilled for a scout scope mount).

Handy little package to carry around when I don't feel like strapping on my ranch hand holster. I may yet install sling studs - I'm undecided so far.






I'm no marketing expert, but shouldn't Winchester be making' 'em this way as part of the lineup? Would be easier than having to keep re-building Rossis to get what I need!!! ;)
 
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Nice build & fun project. In a perfect life, Rossi or Miroku would build us some nice trappers and baby carbines. A pile of requests to them would go a long way. For me, I'm happy with slicking up Rossi's as they are a fun platform to work with. Fer me, XS Sights are perfect.

Rossi Baby Carbine in .357 mag.
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Rossi Baby Carbine in .45 Colt
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Mine is a complete PGW set. Don't believe their hype - it's not a 95% inlet and they are contoured HUGE. I removed a LOT of material, especially the foreshock which would only channeled with a 1/2" router.

I have a lot of inletting experience, and it still took my over a week to fit this stock, working on it 2-3 hours a night.

End product is nice though. The extra work ensures a tight fit if you are good with the inletting black and sharp chisels.

Leave the Dremel to bubba!
 
Mine is a complete PGW set. Don't believe their hype - it's not a 95% inlet and they are contoured HUGE. I removed a LOT of material, especially the foreshock which would only channeled with a 1/2" router.

I have a lot of inletting experience, and it still took my over a week to fit this stock, working on it 2-3 hours a night.

End product is nice though. The extra work ensures a tight fit if you are good with the inletting black and sharp chisels.

Leave the Dremel to bubba!

I tossed my chisels long way back in '70 when I got a Dremel. Still use the bugger for lots of finicky work, but I also have a Foredom flex-shaft machine. Of the 2 units, my old Dremel is still doing right with me & gets way more use. The chisels get used for fittin' doors and locks.;)
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One has to admit it, this full butt stock and short barrel lever gun version is exactly what Winchester and Browning refused to produce for the North American long gun market in modern times.
Despite the existence of antique Winchester (and Marlin and Ballard??) very short trappers and baby carbines in the past.

Good job there Shell Shucker!
 
I tossed my chisels long way back in '70 when I got a Dremel. Still use the bugger for lots of finicky work, but I also have a Foredom flex-shaft machine. Of the 2 units, my old Dremel is still doing right with me & gets way more use. The chisels get used for fittin' doors and locks.;)
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I doubt we are talking about the same thing. I'm talking specifically about gunsmith inletting chisels, which come in specific tip shares and are all 1/4" or smaller in width. They are the "purpose built" tool for fine inletting.

For reducing the girth of the stock in general, I use small Lee Valley spoke haves, followed by block sanding.

I've re-stocked dozens of guns at this point. Some from semi-inlet, some from planks. practise makes perfect, but a hand-tooled fit will always be a better product if done properly. Machine-fitting is simply not as accurate when it comes to wood working.

Also worthy of note, PGW machined the lower tang inlet crooked and too wide. I had to fit a 1.5mm walnut patch and re-inlet the lower tang to get the stock to fit properly. I'd have preferred if they had shipped it even more under-inlet than they did, but it does make for a lot of extra fine work.
 
Mine is a complete PGW set. Don't believe their hype - it's not a 95% inlet and they are contoured HUGE. I removed a LOT of material, especially the foreshock which would only channeled with a 1/2" router.

I have a lot of inletting experience, and it still took my over a week to fit this stock, working on it 2-3 hours a night.

End product is nice though. The extra work ensures a tight fit if you are good with the inletting black and sharp chisels.

Leave the Dremel to bubba!

I have that exact stock set from PGW and it has been sitting in my gun room for about a year. Your right it is not 95% inlet, there is a lot more work there then I am capable of doing myself unfortunately. I would love to have some nice walnut on my Rossi but inletting is a little beyond my skills.

Anyone know a smith that could finish it off for me?
 
One has to admit it, this full butt stock and short barrel lever gun version is exactly what Winchester and Browning refused to produce for the North American long gun market in modern times.
Despite the existence of antique Winchester (and Marlin and Ballard??) very short trappers and baby carbines in the past.

Good job there Shell Shucker!

US law is likely the reason. Those old shorties are pre 1934.

A Ranch Hand with a real buttstock on it is quite the little carbine.
 
If you plan on putting swivel studs on, Steve from Steve's gunz recommended to me to drill and tap the barrel band. He does not recommend a swivel stud on the tubular shell mag as it tends to work the whole tubular mag loose - even more so on the 44s. Nice looking rig...
 
Thanks for the advice. The only problem with threading the band it that it's stainless and needs to be TIG welded on the inside to keep the stud put. Doable, but I'd have to farm that out - I haven;t got TIG at the shop.
 
Very nice rifles, and very nice work. I like the carbines with the longer (16"?) barrel and ordinary lever. I have two rifles,a Rossi .357, and a Chiappa .44 mag. Deaner slicked up the Rossi, but the Chiappa hasn't been fired - yet.

Merry Christmas!
 
Mine is a complete PGW set. Don't believe their hype - it's not a 95% inlet and they are contoured HUGE. I removed a LOT of material, especially the foreshock which would only channeled with a 1/2" router.

I have a lot of inletting experience, and it still took my over a week to fit this stock, working on it 2-3 hours a night.

End product is nice though. The extra work ensures a tight fit if you are good with the inletting black and sharp chisels.

Leave the Dremel to bubba!

Great information to have. I just purchased a R92 20" Stainless and was considering ordering a set from them. I might have to reconsider.
 
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