Got my SKS!!! (Pics Up)

The gas cylinder is not original to the carbine. The original EP'd numbers were ground off and marked with new matching numbers (forced match). Examine the gas piston, and look for any long flat spots on the long stem. That would be an indicator it is not original either. There should be an EP'd number there, plus on the extractor and under the rear sight.

As far as when the refurbishment was done, that is not known. Unless some additional documentation were to accompany these carbines (like the Finns used with their arsenal "tags"), that information is lost in time.
 
Cool, thanks alot guys! I do like my SKS quite alot, I dont think I coulda got a better gun for taking out to the range and plowing through ammo as well as looking pretty nice to boot.

Im gonna start a thread called "Pics of your vise grip scars". This really sucks cause some have it worse than others and it was all about how little the jackass that welded them cared at that moment.
 
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Is this pretty consistant with the condition of the hand picked SKS's we have seen. Would you guys accept this as a hand picked re-furb??

Hard to say. Some guys got non-refurbished rifles when they ordered shooter grade rifles, some guys got nice refurbs when they ordered hand picked, and others got crappy rusted beater rifles when they ordered hand picked. As long as you are happy with what you got and what you paid for it, thats all that matters!
 
Ordered my SKS and an SVT-40 from Frontier and awaiting delivery. Only want one and sure hope it's a nice one. Got the handpick option. Believe it should arrive by the end of the week or first of next.
 
Any idea how I can re-finish the marks caused by the bench vise?? Is there any oil or finish that people are rubbing on to get rid of the scrapes and dings?
 
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Scratches are easy to fix if not deep, a dab of shellac cures the problem.
These guns look awesome, when I did my service with the soviet army in the 80s I can tell you that noone took care of the guns, so the refurbishers did an amazing job bringing them to almost like new condition.
We did not use SKSs, these were obsolete long before my time but, whether issued or not there are usage/handling scars on them nevertheless; most of them were loaned/leased to 3rd world countries and used through many regional conflicts.
So what we have here is the creme of the crop, that's for sure.

I've noticed in many of the pictures that there are fresh scratches on a lot of these stocks right around the magazine (mine included). I wonder if the "pinning wizards" managed to mangle them when they put then in a vise.
 
The refurbisment was not done by the armed force's gunsmiths, but by a specialized contractor, a weapons manufacturer like Molot.
They were done in large batches and nobody would fish for e.g. bolt A to match receiver A. The parts that have no crossed over s/n but just the EPd one were new replacements.
Different parts were refurbished by different departments or even subcontracted (furniture for example) and like I said due to the high number of parts involved there was unfeasible to waste time and match the parts.
In the case of SVTs, there rifles saw frontline service throughout WW2 and upon retirement were salvaged and completely overhauled; unlike the SKS, they were used only by the soviets, never exported or loaned to other countries. It is nearly impossible to find one with all original and matching s/ns, unless it was a war capture and never refurbished.

The splice in the fore end is a common repair during refurbishment. Either to repair a split in the bayonet channel or reinforce the wood where it meets the ferrule.

The Soviet arsenal system does not usually attempt to rematch the sub-assemblies of firearms during refurbishment. Most Mosin Nagants were re-matched by stamping or EPing. All the SVT-40's were EP re-matched. Tula is mixed with Izhevsk. A functional part is just a part.

For some unknown reason, these SKS examples usually have their original bolt assembly, body cover, magazine and trigger assembly retained together, unless a component was replaced do to wear or damage.

It appears there was no effort to retain the original numbered stock, even if it was salvageable. Hence the multiple "X'd" numbers on some.
 
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There are many ways to fix wood, but please bear in mind that there is NO oil finish on the soviet rifles, they are coated with rough shellac.
You can strip the furniture and do whatever finish you want ( tung oil, BLO, polyurethane to name a few) but after that you should never call your carbine soviet again, unless you duplicate the original shellac finish.

Any idea how I can re-finish the marks caused by the bench vise?? Is there any oil or finish that people are rubbing on to get rid of the scrapes and dings?
 
I don't understand why you guys are so crazy about matching numbers; the parts were produced en masse and only upon assembly were punched with the receiver number; it is just like in the auto industry, but here nobody cares anout the crankshaft beind punch matched to the engine s/n or to the VIN.
EPd or punched s/n doesn't mean anything, the part is an original.
Of course it's nice to have everything original like at the end of the assembly line but this satisfies just the form criteria and not the fit and function.

The gas cylinder is not original to the carbine. The original EP'd numbers were ground off and marked with new matching numbers (forced match). Examine the gas piston, and look for any long flat spots on the long stem. That would be an indicator it is not original either. There should be an EP'd number there, plus on the extractor and under the rear sight.

As far as when the refurbishment was done, that is not known. Unless some additional documentation were to accompany these carbines (like the Finns used with their arsenal "tags"), that information is lost in time.
 
I don't understand why you guys are so crazy about matching numbers; the parts were produced en masse and only upon assembly were punched with the receiver number; it is just like in the auto industry, but here nobody cares anout the crankshaft beind punch matched to the engine s/n or to the VIN.
EPd or punched s/n doesn't mean anything, the part is an original.
Of course it's nice to have everything original like at the end of the assembly line but this satisfies just the form criteria and not the fit and function.

True enough for any practical purpose but original matching numbers are important in establishing collector value which is an intangible set by the collector market.
 
Agree, but it's hard for me to believe that the value of a pristine, never fired soviet made SKS will increase 10 fold in say 20 years; unless the government decides to ban and confiscate all SKSs in the country. People will bury the guns in the backyard wrapped in layers of grease and newspapers like some did in eastern europe back in the day (read 1940s, after the communist takeover)
This "red" gun has a value only for who owns it, not a trully collector's item like their 'western' counterparts.
Compare it with the M1 Garand who was made in the millions and sells for 3-4 times more.
BTW, how much is valued a russian Berdan II rifle, do you know? Is it worth $300?

True enough for any practical purpose but original matching numbers are important in establishing collector value which is an intangible set by the collector market.
 
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A all numbers matching, refurb or not WILL ALWAYS retain more value than one than isn't - you are new to the game, ain't ya? :p
 
I know that of course, but like I said I don't foresee a strong evaluation in time.
Even if there will be no more imports there are already too many in the country to stick to the $200-300 range; like someone posted before, the 'russkies' were more expensive years ago than they are now, when the market was flooded.
Question: is the SVT collectible? 99.9% of the surviving rifles are mix matched; is a Kovrov more valuable than a Tula or Ijevsk? Is it a SVT-38 more collectible than a -40? Given their background I would say yes, they are; true combat rifles, the soviets won a war with them; retired in 1945 and refurbished, never used again, until now.
If you can enlighten me... I would appreciate it.

A all numbers matching, refurb or not WILL ALWAYS retain more value than one than isn't - you are new to the game, ain't ya? :p
 
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I would enlighten - or attempt to, but my crystal ball is broken..;)
It's not unrealistic to say the supply of original SKS's and SVT's is going to end - when is anyone's guess - but they will retain their value as a collectable.
 
Well, as far as I know they used a dark, raw lac. You cannot rub it like oil, first you have to dissolve the flakes in methyl alcohol, then brush it over in several layers.
To match the colour is the real challenge, I would strip the furniture completely (wipe it off easy with a rag saturated with denaturated alcohol) and redo it.
Shellac has the big advantage of being reversible: easy on, easy off.

What type of shellac is this exactly? Do I have to strip the area around the scratches or can I just rub the shellac over the scrape with a clean cloth??
 
Values ascribed to firearms are very subjective and market based. They are assigned according to rarity, historical-political interest, appearance and completeness.

A complete all matching K98k with history (verifiable vet bring back with documents) is worth close to $1,000. A Soviet capture mix master is worth $300. Put a swastika on any item, and suddenly it has significant value.

For years in Canada, surplus Lee Enfield rifles were bought for next to nothing, cut up and sporterized. They had no value. Slowly, as the last generation to carry that rifle in war started to age and die, younger collectors wanted to obtain a tangible piece of their forefather's history. Complete matching original examples commanded higher value over the mismatched and chopped examples.

M1 rifles could be bought for reasonable coin at one time. There was no great demand for them, couldn't be sporterized, were heavy, clunky and just not an '03 Springfield. Once again, as interest gained momentum among collectors for the arms and equipment of their father's generation, values continued to rise.

We now see the emphasis on restoration and preservation, not abomination. A cut up No.1 MkIII may fetch $60. Find the same unmolested rifle with pre-1916 features (volley sights, mag cut off, stacking swivel, original stock) and Canadian acceptance stamps, and you will need another $500.

Twenty years ago, publications providing detailed study on specific martial arms, history, production, variants, prototypes, ancillary equipment, etc. were few and far between. They were often filled with poor quality photographs and erroneous information. Now even novice collectors can find a wealth of information both in print and on the Internet.

Collecting imposes it's own standards of monetary value. Whether its vintage cars, stamps, coins, books, manuscripts, or any other memorabilia. You have to appreciate that forums like this appeal to firearms enthusiasts with diverse interests. Some are plinkers, some are collectors, some both.

Interest in Soviet arms and equipment is still relatively new. Before the arrival of these SKS carbines, your typical SKS-45 commanded prices in the +$400 area. Mosin Nagant rifles, Tokarev and Nagant pistols, SVT-40 rifles, were few in number, usually Finnish capture sourced items. While still relatively cheap, that can change in an instant.

Look south of the border to the USA. The SVT-40 and SKS are banned from further import. Their values have increased greatly. No, you can't retire by selling one SKS. But when I see a Chinese Type 56 SKS, which could be purchased from MARSTAR two years ago for $139, sell at auction for $350 or more? The average firearms enthusiast is not some independently wealthy fop. A couple of hundred dollars can be the difference between affordable or not.

kwhunter, you know that an early '70's limited production muscle car in pristine original condition has greater value then one that's been restored or a standard model humped up to look like the rare original.

Same applies to firearms. I hope my explanation is of help.
 
I agree with you completely, rchmontreal.
Excepting muscle cars... if a gun is politically hot, expect to be charged an arm and a leg. Like the North Korean SKS that no one can find
30 years ago at the height of the cold war, one would have paid big $$$ for a soviet rifle; now, one would spare his pocket change, which is not bad at all.
I wonder, for how much is selling the M1 Garand in Russia? I would assume that for a good sized pile of rubles...
 
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