Gouge in barrel land in t97
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mine has it but its more like they scratched the bore rather than a gouge. I'm not as concerned with mine since its much smaller
It is unlikely that the importer will fix this problem.
In QC we have different legislation and they could be sued to small claims very easily.
In a merchant/consumer sale contract, this distance contract is deemed to be entered into at the address of the consumer. So they could be sued under QC laws in a QC's court.
See the CONSUMER PROTECTION ACT, R.S.Q., chapter P-40.1
Have no idea about the other provinces since they are not under the same civil laws.
Agreed, shocking is right. This is blatant DAMAGE tho, not just a 'defect' and should be resolved as it seems to be a common GOUGE in the bore of these rifles. Strength in numbers!!
A small defect is hardly the end of the world. I would hope that in future shipments that NS gets this resolved though.
If mine has it, it is sure not affecting accuracy noticeably. I love how all of the anti China people always jump in when given a chance haha.
If mine has it, it is sure not affecting accuracy noticeably. I love how all of the anti China people always jump in when given a chance haha.
Personally, I don't mind.
I would rather support Canadian businesses who take on a lot of risk bringing these in and Chinese manufacturers who have the ability to build them than support the corrupt Federal government who takes them away, or the lying thieves in the Conservative party.
It is a lot of fun shooting them and as long as I can hit the down zero zone on and IDPA target at 200 yards, I'm happy.
I would rather support Canadian businesses who take on a lot of risk bringing these in and Chinese manufacturers who have the ability to build them than support the corrupt Federal government who takes them away, or the lying thieves in the Conservative party.
It is a lot of fun shooting them and as long as I can hit the down zero zone on and IDPA target at 200 yards, I'm happy.
So after this thread I just checked my never fired t97 and sure enough its got the barrel gouge as well! Not shocking but a bit disheartening. If these chrome lined barrels are like any other chromed piece of metal I've seen eventually at the break corrosion and build up will cause it to flake. I'm curious as to what North Sylva's opinion on this matter is.
Understood, but It really has nothing to do with being anti-China…which I'm not. If this was a Thousand dollar Sig pistol or a Remington 700 rifle, people would be screaming bloody murder with a gouged bore, which everybody seems to think is okay right now. Who knows what damage will be there after three or 4000 rounds? Anyway I was just surprised that most are fairly complacent with this in a brand-new rifle, that's all… that's what blows me away completely.
ok so I just shipped the rifle back to the dealer, we'll see what happens in a few days - a week.. this is their initial response to my original email, also below:
It should not be a problem with the rifle, it should not even affect accuracy as it is back by the gas port.. It looks like the hole for the gas tube was drilled a bit to deep and it went through to the bore (there were a handful of these with that). If the gun is still in good condition (no Marks or wear) with the orignal box we would be able to swap guns.
On 2013-10-14 16:02, ___wrote:
Hi ____,
I took my t97 that i purchased from you about 2 weeks ago to the range yesterday, and really liked the rifle.. however when i got home to clean the rifle I noticed something very alarming.
When viewing the bore from the top of the gas port (with piston removed) I can see that the land has a large gouge/ chip? in it, and it is very clearly a chip, I put a toothpick there and can feel the indent. a couple of people looked at it and agreed it's not just carbon/ etc
I am now worried about the safety and function, the gouge is quite large and it is basically the whole width of the land!
I would like to know what you can do for me to warranty this, I would be accept the following:
- replacement rifle (rifle only, no magazine)
- a full refund
- a partial refund (I will sell the rifle disclosing the flaw...) this is not ideal
I've always had good customer service from you and I hope you can follow through for me this time, because this is the only time that something had been wrong with the product!
Please see pictures attached. Thank you
Regards,
____
It should not be a problem with the rifle, it should not even affect accuracy as it is back by the gas port.. It looks like the hole for the gas tube was drilled a bit to deep and it went through to the bore (there were a handful of these with that). If the gun is still in good condition (no Marks or wear) with the orignal box we would be able to swap guns.
On 2013-10-14 16:02, ___wrote:
Hi ____,
I took my t97 that i purchased from you about 2 weeks ago to the range yesterday, and really liked the rifle.. however when i got home to clean the rifle I noticed something very alarming.
When viewing the bore from the top of the gas port (with piston removed) I can see that the land has a large gouge/ chip? in it, and it is very clearly a chip, I put a toothpick there and can feel the indent. a couple of people looked at it and agreed it's not just carbon/ etc
I am now worried about the safety and function, the gouge is quite large and it is basically the whole width of the land!
I would like to know what you can do for me to warranty this, I would be accept the following:
- replacement rifle (rifle only, no magazine)
- a full refund
- a partial refund (I will sell the rifle disclosing the flaw...) this is not ideal
I've always had good customer service from you and I hope you can follow through for me this time, because this is the only time that something had been wrong with the product!
Please see pictures attached. Thank you
Regards,
____
The government hasn't banned and confiscated Sigs or Remington 700s (yet) and the very existence of a $1000 unregistered, military style assault, bullpup rifle variant gives the T97 a novelty to it that makes this issue permissible.
Some of us wasted a lot of time, money and effort lobbying the government to bring about change - for me, I was royally pissed when CanAms shipment of T97s was confiscated, so much so that I got involved with the Tory snake oil salesmen and wasted a lot of time and forked over a lot of money to the stupid turf Mark Holland initiative during the last charade of a federal election.
What have to Tories done in turn? Eliminated an obsolete, defunct database while allowing agencies under their control to goon other legitimate gun businesses and do nothing to repeal fascist laws that incriminate people like you and me for harming no one.
I think this gun is more symbolic of how free markets with entrepreneurs motivated by profit can sidestep fascist government regulations and bring about real, meaningful change that makes everyone's life better.
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i checked mine again luckily its not on the riflings, its in-between
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Yea if the drill bit went into the groove and not the land the accuracy loss will be less or none . I have a mosin with heavy pitting in the grooves but still good lands and its the most accurate mosin i own, go figure ? I would be more worried about the damage to the chrome than any accuracy loss in that type of rifle .. Cause i know on old cars with real chrome bumpers and trim when it gets chipped the steel underneath will start to corrode and the chrome will bubble up .
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I think you would have to buy it from a gunshop in PQ though...just living there and buying it out of province wouldn't suffice.
Anyway isn't the stated life expectancy for the rifle like 6000 rounds? Thought I read that on here somewhere....it's in the sticky. So the Chinese even think these are chinese junk and throw them away just when most guns are getting broken in lol
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this is exactly why i was worried
this is not true at all.. some people have reported firing more than 10000 rounds in norinco ar's without any more wear than say a NA made counterpart.. guys stop with the chinese firearms bashing
Just checked mine, and yes, the gouge is there too. The inside of the barrel showing a fine '--' line between the landing. S/n is in the high 4xx.
Personally I will just keep shooting as long as the gun functions. As for the warranty, it will be hard for Chinese firearms. Long time ago I picked up a NORC AR (the 1st batch made into Canada). When I questioned about the warranty, the owner of L3v3r arms told me that Norc will warranty nothing once the goods are out the door, however, Norc will ship extra 5-7% of the total guns ordered ( I guess free of charge to importer?) for warranty or parts (warranty is with the importer). But as someone mentioned on an earlier post that NS is out stock now, I guess importer warranty will not be available.
Personally I will just keep shooting as long as the gun functions. As for the warranty, it will be hard for Chinese firearms. Long time ago I picked up a NORC AR (the 1st batch made into Canada). When I questioned about the warranty, the owner of L3v3r arms told me that Norc will warranty nothing once the goods are out the door, however, Norc will ship extra 5-7% of the total guns ordered ( I guess free of charge to importer?) for warranty or parts (warranty is with the importer). But as someone mentioned on an earlier post that NS is out stock now, I guess importer warranty will not be available.
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