GPST Gets the Boot

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TSE JR said:
No one is getting rid of "The Grange".

I have had VERY successful meetings with the current executives. In my opinion, they are ALL very stand-up people.

Both Target and the Execs have stayed focused on keeping the membership looked after.

Changes need to be made, but as far as I am concerned, only for the better.

Again, I will be presenting all of this at the AGM on Jan 19th.

JR
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My mistake JR, I was under the impression you guys were stating form scratch, this is good though, it is already in place so there will not be a long drawn out BS process with the CFO.

As the VP of my club and also the head of the CDP league, one point I will give some constructive criticism on is CHANGE 2, the rule about only "The Grange" members being allowed to participate in leagues on a regular basis.

At my club I run the CDP league every other Thrusday and members from any and all clubs that are qualified are more then welcome to participate, some of which are from from "The Grange" and Target Sports.

We have a very minimal cost that each shooter pays and those monies are used to buy supplies for props and also to remit to the club for use of the range.

Limiting it the way you posted it would basically be like us telling those members/shooters to no longer attend my club for CDP unless invited at certain times. This is definately not something I would and/or will promote or approve of at our club.

One of the things we as leagues here in Ontario promote are matches that are always open to other club members who are qualified and want to attend. Out leagues PPC, IPSC and CDP are open to all shooters not just club members.

Just my 2 cents, but not really a good way to promote leagues.
 
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Steve David said:
One of the things we as leagues here in Ontario promote are matches that are always open to other club members who are qualified and want to attend. Our leagues PPC, IPSC and CDP are open to all shooters not just club members.
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This is not really adding any clarity Steve.

So...to be clear:

As far as I am aware...there is no official definition of an IPSC League. We all know what the Confederation is (the one you have to join...in this case IPSC Ontario) but these independent "action shooting leagues" can be just that... independent.

In order for a range to officially particiapte in santioned IPSC matches (let's jus deal with Ontario for now) they must be affiliated. If they then decide to hold santioned matches...those matches must be open to all IPSC members.

However...those same clubs can have a league nite that we (IPSC Ontario) have nothing to do with. They can restrict it to "Range members" if they choose...they can allow non IPSC members to particiapte...it's at their discression.

I'll use Burlington as an example (anyone from that club can verify this info). In addition to a couple of sanctioned matches each year...they have a regular IPSC type practice (i think on Tuesday nites) These events are not sanctioned by IPSC Ontario...and they are free to invite who they wish. The results are not sent to IPSC Ontario...and they run these activities as they see fit.

Sanctioned IPSC Activity (and the required membership in IPSC)...and Action Pistol Leagues (even if they call it IPSC Nite...which they really shouldn't) are not the same thing.

The matches at the Grange have been santioned by IPSC which means in the past, it would have to be open to all IPSC Members (as indicated by D.L) but what the new owners decide to do is entirely up to them.

The IPSC Ontario Board is there to assist them in any way we can...

Regards
 
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Quigley said:
This is not really adding any clarity Steve.

So...to be clear:

As far as I am aware...there is no official definition of an IPSC League. We all know what the Confederation is (the one you have to join...in this case IPSC Ontario) but these independent "action shooting leagues" can be just that... independent.

In order for a range to officially particiapte in santioned IPSC matches (let's jus deal with Ontario for now) they must be affiliated. If they then decide to hold santioned matches...those matches must be open to all IPSC members.

However...those same clubs can have a league nite that we (IPSC Ontario) have nothing to do with. They can restrict it to "Range members" if they choose...they can allow non IPSC members to particiapte...it's at their discression.

I'll use Burlington as an example (anyone from that club can verify this info). In addition to a couple of sanctioned matches each year...they have a regular IPSC type practice (i think on Tuesday nites) These events are not sanctioned by IPSC Ontario...and they are free to invite who they wish. The results are not sent to IPSC Ontario...and they run these activities as they see fit.

Sanctioned IPSC Activity (and the required membership in IPSC)...and Action Pistol Leagues (even if they call it IPSC Nite) are not the same thing.

The matches at the Grange have been santioned by IPSC which means in the past, it would have to be open to all IPSC Members (as indicated by D.L) but what the new owners decide to do is entirely up to them.

The IPSC Ontario Board is there to assist them in any way we can...

Regards
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Quigly,

I understand that, my point was that we do not have a league night exclusively for only our club members to shoot PPC, IPSC or CDP. Any night these disiplines are shot, anyone who is qualified is more then welcome to attend. For me, I can only attest to CDP and PPC as I do not shoot IPSC. Each CDP match or PPC match we shoot is advertised and sanctioned by the CSSA, all are welcome. IPSC is the same but I am not sure if they are sanctioned, but my point here was that any night we shoot any of these, it is not closed to just our members only.
 
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I think enough has been said on this issue no.
There has been more mis infomation then infomation, the work JR and team is doing well be a good thing to Target sports, they is nothing hideing that TS is not doign the best, JR i,m sure is doing all it takes to keep things open and make money, things have to change.
So why dont we all just sit back and thank Jr for taking on somthing that does got have a 100% chance of working, most peopel would just have let TS sink.
We can now look foward to More items to pick from , better prices and a better gun shop on the whole.
More courses and more kinds of shooting In T.O.
All i can say is Bring it on!
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I agree with the above, I just want to see it all come together and workout for them. We can never have enough gun shops with ranges to boot, and looking at what TSE has created in Calgary, make it work guys.
 
TSE JR said:
JR here…
I personally think this will work itself out. Maybe I didn’t make myself clear in our meeting or I was misinterpreted. Regardless, if anyone wishes to “discuss” this further with me, I am more than happy to hear both the positives and the negatives.

JR
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Well said JR and it will work!!! :D

For all of the doubters, if you have never been to the Shooting Edge, you owe yourself a visit to see how the range is setup and see the business model around its successfuly operations.

For myself, I have just completed my full two years as a member of TSE and have renewed again going into my 3rd year. Why? you may ask. Because of the people, service, products, clubs (IPSC and DPL) and facilities at TSE is the reason why.

I look foward to seeing the changes at TS and know that the new business model will make it an even better range with the best indoor facilities in Ontario.

Now JR, if you can only honor TSE members at TS as a recipricol arrangement, that would just make it that much better!!! ;)

All the best and I truly believe TS and the Grange will be a club and an indoor range to be reckoned with in the future of Ontario shooting sports.
 
..TSE could start with fixing the urinal and the ####ter.

As of right now, I rather take a huge dump on the lawn because the bathroom facilities horable

the bathrooms @ the grange make jane & finch gas station bathrooms look like 5 star hotels.
 
I have to agree with "ARmike".

I have been a member at the grange for almost 5 years and the mens urinal has never worked. It smells real bad!!!!!!!!

I find it hard to believe that in that amount of time it could not be fixed.

I pay enough for membership as do the rest of the grange members.

One of the first "things to do" for JR is to fix the mens washroom, then he can start with the range ventilation.
 
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Ohhhhh, man... what a thread.... :eek: :eek: :eek:

I'm curious to see what will happen with the club/facility/league/groups/etc...
 
For those who'd appreciate a history lesson, the first meaningfull IPSC league at that building came about by stealth, not negotiation.

The origional owners were first and foremost PPC shooters. IPSC was present from the start, but any attempt at a regular league seemed to hit a wall.

Frustrated, a large number of the IPSC shooters co-ordinated and all showed up at the same time. With more than 20 shooters, and only 20 stalls available, they could have simply taken over for the night. Instead, the owners realized that turning over range b for the evening was wiser.

As the league developed, there was an understandable concern by the owners of non-members using the faciliuty. At the time, a non-member fee was charged and directed to the owners.
 
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