Great Mysteries of the Sporting Arms World
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freddyfour
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That's a good one,been wondering that myself for a while.
I have a bunch of H4831SC here that I bought in bulk from Higginson. OCD tells me to dump it from the javex jug into a proper marked jug and all will be well. I got Varget and IMR4350 jugs in the past for the same purpose.
No big either way.
I do like Bruce. He's my favourite Fudd.
I have a bunch of H4831SC here that I bought in bulk from Higginson. OCD tells me to dump it from the javex jug into a proper marked jug and all will be well. I got Varget and IMR4350 jugs in the past for the same purpose.
No big either way.
I do like Bruce. He's my favourite Fudd.
I guessed the reason, just find it amazing that you haven't found one yet. I think of it when I throw away empty kegs but I'm on the other side of the country. Here's a thought, why not get someone to mail you the label? They peel right off, stick back on and mail cheaper. Or cut the side out of the jug with the label and you can peel it yourself.
Great mysteries?
1)Why people drive themselves crazy trying to shave 1/8" off their groups( because 1/8" matters) then sight in three inches high at 100 because they know full well that 3 inches doesn't matter.
2) Why shooting a tiny 3 shoot group at 100 yards is a tremendous confidence booster but putting the whole box in the center of the target at 500 isn't.
3)Why some shooters will blame every shot in a group that they don't like on themselves, horrified that there could possibly be anything wrong or second rate with the gun/scope/load.
4) Why the next shooter will blame every errant shot on the equipment.
5) Why people will choice a bullet based on accuracy measured in fractions of an inch, when they could give give consideration to wind drift measured in feet.
6) Why people will chose a bullet based on group size instead of terminal performance on a hunting rifle.
7) (A) Why everyone with lesser equipment be it guns or optics is poverty stricken, stupid or just a terribly misinformed hillbilly.
7) (B) Why everyone with better equipment is a self centered, stupid, arrogant prick, with more money than brains.
8) Why certain brands of rifles attract jerks that expect you to be impressed, while other equally or more expensive brands will attract enthusiasts that don't care what someone else thinks about it.
1)Why people drive themselves crazy trying to shave 1/8" off their groups( because 1/8" matters) then sight in three inches high at 100 because they know full well that 3 inches doesn't matter.
2) Why shooting a tiny 3 shoot group at 100 yards is a tremendous confidence booster but putting the whole box in the center of the target at 500 isn't.
3)Why some shooters will blame every shot in a group that they don't like on themselves, horrified that there could possibly be anything wrong or second rate with the gun/scope/load.
4) Why the next shooter will blame every errant shot on the equipment.
5) Why people will choice a bullet based on accuracy measured in fractions of an inch, when they could give give consideration to wind drift measured in feet.
6) Why people will chose a bullet based on group size instead of terminal performance on a hunting rifle.
7) (A) Why everyone with lesser equipment be it guns or optics is poverty stricken, stupid or just a terribly misinformed hillbilly.
7) (B) Why everyone with better equipment is a self centered, stupid, arrogant prick, with more money than brains.
8) Why certain brands of rifles attract jerks that expect you to be impressed, while other equally or more expensive brands will attract enthusiasts that don't care what someone else thinks about it.
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I like this list, particularly the part about buying expensive rifles to impress ourselves, and not those around us.
Best post yet,...all true.
Ain't no way a scope's faster- a red dot has its place but I hate batteries and stuff to rattle loose. I'm probably not terribly far from you these days, and I'd like to meet you we have mutual acquaintances, want to meet up for a friendly and do a speed shoot, irons versus glass with .375s?
I've seen loose mounts multiple times, and full out internal scope failure (Bushnell, so no not quality glass admittedly) on hunts. Worst I've had with irons is the rear sight Jack getting rammed all the way forward and I shot the wrong grouse! Kid you not and cringe to mention this part as it sounds like a stretch, but hit a grouse upslope and behind the one I was shooting at without meaning to. So I suppose irons still haven't failed me!
Meeting up to shoot is always fun, I'm at the range very often as I work there, so easy to find a time to meet.
One of my favorite range games is to shoot gongs at 100 yards with iron sighted semi auto pistols. I can usually hit about 25% and on a good day 50%. I'm sure that percentage would go up if I had some sort of scope on the pistols.
I like irons, but much of this argument sounds like something from 60 years ago.
Scopes are faster as your eye doesn't need to line up rear, front and target. I have red dots that are solar and battery powered with 7 year battery lifespan. Red dots are really fast and very accurate for anything other than shooting groups. Anything can break, including scopes and yes, I had a horse roll on a B&L scope and knock it out of zero. That was 15 years ago and no quality scope knocked out of zero on a hunting trip since. Optical sights have been proven many times as fast, accurate and durable.
Mounts can get loose so use blue locktite. Screws and adjustments on iron sights can do the same.
I like using quality iron sights. Most factory supplied irons are not quality though. And the limiting factor always seems to be eyesight. I know I could use irons better 10 years ago than I can today. Although recently I head shot a yote at about 50 yards with a 22 short and pretty rudimentary iron sights so I'm not real blind yet.
Often, it comes down to what you use and know best. Like lots of things.
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Iron sights have their place but, as folks age past 45 or so, optics provide better clarity for accurate shot placement.
When shooting at game, I believe that we all owe a duty to the animal to make the best shot possible. In my case that meant going with a good scope in the lower power range (1-4) or a 3-9 in open country.
For new shooters, nothing beats learning to shoot with iron sights. Sight picture, trigger control are best learned with an iron-sighted rifle.
As for "greatest mysteries", I've often wondered why some guys think that you can't possibly shoot a sub-6" group at 200 yards with a Norinco M305 with iron sights, when they can't get do better than a garbage-can lid group at 200 with their scoped 7mm STW. Seriously.
When shooting at game, I believe that we all owe a duty to the animal to make the best shot possible. In my case that meant going with a good scope in the lower power range (1-4) or a 3-9 in open country.
For new shooters, nothing beats learning to shoot with iron sights. Sight picture, trigger control are best learned with an iron-sighted rifle.
As for "greatest mysteries", I've often wondered why some guys think that you can't possibly shoot a sub-6" group at 200 yards with a Norinco M305 with iron sights, when they can't get do better than a garbage-can lid group at 200 with their scoped 7mm STW. Seriously.
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Ha. I think many of us are guilty of #1
nowarningshot
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Good quote....but i will add.
Fixed it for you..I wonder why people spend money on an SKS. You had three to many words there...i was having trouble with my math, its better now.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Meeting up to shoot is always fun, I'm at the range very often as I work there, so easy to find a time to meet.
One of my favorite range games is to shoot gongs at 100 yards with iron sighted semi auto pistols. I can usually hit about 25% and on a good day 50%. I'm sure that percentage would go up if I had some sort of scope on the pistols.
I like irons, but much of this argument sounds like something from 60 years ago.
Scopes are faster as your eye doesn't need to line up rear, front and target. I have red dots that are solar and battery powered with 7 year battery lifespan. Red dots are really fast and very accurate for anything other than shooting groups. Anything can break, including scopes and yes, I had a horse roll on a B&L scope and knock it out of zero. That was 15 years ago and no quality scope knocked out of zero on a hunting trip since. Optical sights have been proven many times as fast, accurate and durable.
Mounts can get loose so use blue locktite. Screws and adjustments on iron sights can do the same.
I like using quality iron sights. Most factory supplied irons are not quality though. And the limiting factor always seems to be eyesight. I know I could use irons better 10 years ago than I can today. Although recently I head shot a yote at about 50 yards with a 22 short and pretty rudimentary iron sights so I'm not real blind yet.
Often, it comes down to what you use and know best. Like lots of things.
Agree on quality iron sights, and fun with extended range pistoleering. I just sold my 629 .44 Mag with silhouette sights, a blast off handing a 200 yard gong- with a surprising number of hits, at least to bystanders! Shot my C96 antique pistol at 500 yards, as it had sights graduation even past that and thought why not give it a shot? Within one mag / ten rounds hit a silhouette from a rest, this said, chalky dry soil and without that to walk the hits in would have been a lot harder. But, those sights don't lie, 500m mark was very very close to on at 500 yards. I'm taking us far afield here.
On the subject of sights and having to line up front and rear, afraid that's only under one of two scenarios, one is the rifle doesn't fit and two is a lack of practice with the sights. One of the beautiful things about irons is they don't have to be actively focused if the rifle fits, they are just a windage and elevation reference for instinctive shooting on the close stuff, and on the long stuff you're going to settle in just as with a scope anyhow and really line it up. Both styles contrasted below, fast, and slow. Either way I take longer to get my eye through a scope and settle the cross hairs than the instinctive, shotgun type pointing of irons.
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A 1 or 1.5x scope at close range compared to a suitable iron definitely comes down to what the shooter practices with most. They are probably extremely close with a very well practiced shooter.
I've had a rifle take a bouncing fall down a scree slope, that involved a nice ding in the scope tube and the scope still held zero (Zeiss Conquest). Why not have the best of both worlds. Sight in your irons and scope the rifle in QD mounts?
I've also shot accurately at long ranges with irons. NM M14 or M1 sights are excellent for that. I'd be sure to bet I can shoot faster at close range with a 1x scope than with NM sights!
I think being a well rounded shooter means knowing how to use both and the benefits/uses of both.
I've had a rifle take a bouncing fall down a scree slope, that involved a nice ding in the scope tube and the scope still held zero (Zeiss Conquest). Why not have the best of both worlds. Sight in your irons and scope the rifle in QD mounts?
I've also shot accurately at long ranges with irons. NM M14 or M1 sights are excellent for that. I'd be sure to bet I can shoot faster at close range with a 1x scope than with NM sights!
I think being a well rounded shooter means knowing how to use both and the benefits/uses of both.
Hmm. I've never noticed this trend. In fact most big bore fans tend to be more experienced shooters as big bores tend to mean expensive firearms, reloading and sometimes bullet casting. Whether most experienced shooters are first Gen or not is something that is hard to tell. Most first Gen shooters around here (city boys) are into poodle shooters.
My only big bore (.450 NE 3 1/4") is certainly not for a shooter that has only recently been introduced to firearms. Although with experience I don't see why it matters if you came from a hunting family or you are a first gen convert.
Ardent
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Haven't noticed this either, yet to meet a new shooter with a .470 Nitro. There are folks who think nothing non-magnum is worth shooting, and you do unfortunately encounter that in the inexperienced at times- but far less than those who understand what they're for. And those aren't big bores, that starts at .458 and up. Suppose a lot depends what circle of hunters you hang out in.
