Grizzly bullet for 30-06

Wow. You mean Ontario has it better then you guys out west? (for once anyway)

Unless they have changed things in the last little while.
 
In Ontario you may certainly use FMJ and other non-expanding bullets for hunting. I had thought this was verboten, but got corrected by several dozen helpful Gun Nutz who told me to read the regs.........

Doug
 
Levi Garrett said:
I gotta ask why? I would not even use match HP, on big game :confused:
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I suspect the original intent was to allow hunters to shoot fur-bearing animals without ruining the hide, and they just neglected to specify that you couldn't use these same bullets on 'non-fur-bearing' critters.

But yeah, really bad idea to use on deer unless you like following blood trails through the forest :rolleyes:
 
Levi Garrett said:
I gotta ask why? I would not even use match HP, on big game :confused:
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The idea of monolithic bullets comes from Africa, as far as I understand the idea behind them is that they will go thru the whole animal from shoulder to shoulder. Droping it in place.

Here is a little exert

The first thing that crossed my mind thinking of a development was to go for a monolithic bullet (solid) that will ensure lower mass, higher velocities and flat trajectories. It was essential that the bullet should not work hard on entering the buck and thus decided upon the sharp point.

Since there was no chance of using mushrooming for retardation and subsequent increased rate of energy transfer, I had to decide upon the other wound ballistic concept namely transverse shockwaves that result into controlled high velocity tissue displacement. I therefore introduced the 90 degrees cutting edge in the front. To keep the nose pointing forward as far as possible during penetration through the buck, I designed the shape of the grooves on the baring surface to give increased drag to the rear of the bullet. The shape of these grooves resulted in a bonus that I did not consider. It has a ventury suction effect on exit and often sucks large chunks of lung tissue through a small exit-hole and decompress the torso that probably result in the collapsing of the lungs.

At this stage I am satisfied that the Impala bullet does not stand back for any well constructed expander if it comes to wound ballistics. It exceeded all the intentions I had and on average causes less meat damage
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In my little world I always thought that this would be the type of bullet I would use if I ever got a chance to hunt out west for big bear.
I guess with the BC regs I better do some more reaserch. I imagine a partition bullet would be the way to go. Well I'm off to google the subject.


p.s.
Monolithics are NOT military FMJ's
 
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Gatehouse said:
I've used the Impala solids in 303 and they seemed to do lorts of damage. Haven't shot a bear wit one yet, though...
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Well what can I say the new wave of hunting big game takes a giant step back ;) To each his own, I would not use solids in anything less than 375 h&h , if no other ammo/bullet was available, and that would be for dangerous game ONLY. All other game would be killed with what I call Std/Premo hunting bullets. ;) since this thread is on dangerous game , a solid is a fine choice, not mine, for fear of a less than perfect hit, but fine anyhoo.
Guess I'm a bit behind the times. :D
 
There has been lots of research and work done regarding solids in Africa in the last few years. The Impala bullets have produced good kills in smaller rifles, as they don't "push aside" tissue as FMJ bullets tend to, they cut through them.

GS Custom as been making some crazy mean looking solids, too.

All in all, I don't see a great need for them since we have the TSX;) but solids should not be outright dismissed as having the same performance as a FMJ military style bullet.
 
FMJ's shouldn't be dismissed outright either. They work fine for killing opposing soldiers, after all. Many will tumble then fragment causing massive damage.

Still, there are much more reliable alternatives out there, so why would you want to use an FMJ in the first place?
 
prosper said:
FMJ's shouldn't be dismissed outright either. They work fine for killing opposing soldiers, after all. Many will tumble then fragment causing massive damage.

Still, there are much more reliable alternatives out there, so why would you want to use an FMJ in the first place?
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I'm all for debate but..
I figured fine, let it go , but then other folks may read this thread, so for the love of all that goes bang , what's next tracers , hell ya ,set 'em on fire , easy tracking.:D ;)
 
cdngunner said:
I dont know BC rules.

But how could they be illegal??
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Page 17 of the BC regs.........
It is unlawful to use full metal jacketed, non-expanding, tracer,
incendiary or explosive bullets for hunting or trapping game.
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The Nature of the Monolithics is they do not expand as is the concept for most "Solids"
Barnes Solids such as the TSX or X bullet etc. are the exception of course as they are designed to "expand"

I'd never use a True Solid for hunting here. Why when there are Plenty of Good "Hunting" Bullets out there that will put down anything NA has to offer;)

Now of course for Braining Elephants, Rhinos and such the Solid gets the nod:dancingbanana:
 
And I was not suggesting that a Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) bullet is the same as a monolithic (solid) bullet.........all I was saying is that the Ontario regulations permit the use of non-expanding bullets. AND that I had been under the impression (for thirty plus years) that they were not permitted - until some previous time this became a topic of discussion here on CGN and I had the benefit of LOTS of guys telling me that I was wrong..........

Doug
 
Doug said:
And I was not suggesting that a Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) bullet is the same as a monolithic (solid) bullet.........all I was saying is that the Ontario regulations permit the use of non-expanding bullets. AND that I had been under the impression (for thirty plus years) that they were not permitted - until some previous time this became a topic of discussion here on CGN and I had the benefit of LOTS of guys telling me that I was wrong..........

Doug
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They dont even prohibit tracers.

That way the "bad" natives can see where they are shooting at night!


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And now back to the original thread!

I have read a lot of good articles about the use of monolithics, their not just for large and dangerous african game anymore. They impressed me enough to want to try them. I guess I wont get a chance "west of the paykos"
 
Grizzlies aren't really any harder to kill than any other type of bear, the main problem with grizzlies is their hearts only beat about five times per minute when their excited. They just don't know that they're dead. That means you need a bullet that is heavily consructed to break the big shoulder or spinal bones, so that it will be incapacitated long enough for you to finish the job.
220 grain round nose bullets fit that bill quite well, lighter bullets will work and solids will break bones as well, but the real problem with solids is that they can also just punch a neat little round hole right through both shoulders and not break anything crucial to your survival, I've seen it happen, it's quite unnerveing to say the least when the bear is only 50ft away. Yes, in my opinion, and we all have at least one, a heavy well constructed, 220 grain round nose bullet that will expand and retain enough weight and energy to punch all the way through and exit both shoulders is what's required. bearhunter
 
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todbartell said:
what bullet would you use for mountain grizzly (not coastal brown bears) in the 30-06 Springfield?
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220gr slug ..........and most important part is to be sure the bbl is only two inches from his A....hole when you pull the trigger.:D :D
 
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