Grizzly Hunt Ban in BC

Neo said:
This really is the highest form of stupidity. So now a hunter can't keep the hide for taxidermy purposes. But as a guy who's trophy room is plenty full already, how is it any different if I hunt a grizzly and take a trophy picture? Is that any less "trophy" hunting?

Why do I have a feeling that guys will keep hunting bears tomorrow for the same reason they do today -- for the quality of the hunt and the memories to last a lifetime. In the end, the biggest losers are the taxidermists. As well as anyone who was holding on to any faint hope that society was governed by well-informed people with good intentions.

F#$k...
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I agree that it is such a high level of stupidity. All emotion based and not based in facts. It's also not just the taxidermists that will hurting. Look at the outfitters. Guys will pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to hunt a Grizzly. Its huge economical fuel for conservation. Now whats the point if they can't retain a trophy from their hunt. It's going to hurt conservation and all the small businesses associated with the outfitters (float planes, accommodations, etc.)

Also, the fact that you're allowed to keep the meat but not the hide, paws, or skull is ridiculous. So much for using all parts of the bear...
 
A reasonable change in the reg's may have been to remove the meat from the bush. Same reg as for black bears.!!!
But we aren't dealing with reasonable people!!!!
So do we start useing smaller calibres? As not to ruin as much meat?
More wounded.. more dead bears
 
From what I heard on the radio yesterday itis very unclear what it all means. Even the goof from the "rainforest alliance" really didn't know although he was all giggly about the NDP decission. So for 2018 is it no non-resident hunters can hunt? Can BC residents hunt and keep hide if they also take the meat? How about aboriginal people?
 
Gatehouse said:
This new regulation shows the utter stupidity of the NDP. So I can hunt grizzly, I can kill a grizzly, I an eat a grizzly......But I'm not allowed to take the hide or head. The dead grizz doesn't need it anymore.
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The skull and hide must be brought out for CI.
 
longbranch* said:
How about aboriginal people?
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You really have to ask this question?
Seriously , this Hunt will be turned over to the Natives within three years if the NDP can last that long.
Thats not a doom and gloom prediction.
I predict this as how the Feds have literal turned the Salmon fishery over to them along with the Herring Roe Fishery among others.
I am not ranting about those decisions I save that for the Politicians... this is an unfounded prediction.
Rob
 
LOC said:
Problem is the NDP didn't win the most seats, the Liberals did. It's only the unholy collation of GreeNDP that no-one voted for, making this possible.
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While I don't agree with the Grizzly ban, complaints about minority government's in British parliamentary system is myopic. It's how it works, for hundreds of years.

Average life of a minority/coalition government is 18 months. The more extreme...Dave Barrett ....they go, the more likely Social Credit gets back and repeal everything they do.
 
The political situation is not stable right now. The Greens have a balance of power and are loath to give it up. This was front an centre in both their campaigns. It is a real mess and indicative of what is coming in other areas. Sad as BC was doing well after some tough years. I do not think this government will last long and hopefully the next government will cater to the whole of its electorate not just the chosen few. So the hunt is on, just a huge joke. Not a funny one.
 
Gatehouse said:
This new regulation shows the utter stupidity of the NDP. So I can hunt grizzly, I can kill a grizzly, I an eat a grizzly......But I'm not allowed to take the hide or head. The dead grizz doesn't need it anymore.
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Sounds to me like you just have to hire a token Indian to carry your stuff out of the country now.

With no real good reason to see the bears grow to size, they become just another nuisance to be dealt with in the woods, I suspect. My general feelings are that the population will suffer as a result. Which is to say, there are a large number of folks out there that will like as not, shoot them and leave them to rot. Not hunters (which I only need to point out because of the amount of butthurt some folks show), but other industrial and recreational users that have to deal with bears in their camp areas and facilities.

Buzzards gotta eat too!
 
medvedqc said:
watch out too that the grizzly hunting is not giving to Ottawa. the Feds can be above everything in case of cosewic and take over ....
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"The Species at Risk Act (SARA) identifies COSEWIC as one of its key components. The Act mandates COSEWIC to use the best available scientific, Aboriginal and community knowledge to assess the status of wildlife species that may be at risk of disappearing from Canada. COSEWIC's wildlife species assessments are taken into consideration by the Government of Canada when establishing the Legal List of Species at Risk."

http://www.cosewic.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=en&n=A3B2015B-1#wsE62F57B1
 
There are way to many Grizzlies up here already..There is no short supply. First the Wolf cull stopped, now with this unjustified hunting ban, say goodbye to the moose and elk population in 5-10 years.. and hello to alot more attacks and deaths (which are many already each year). The People in Vancouver and Vancouver Island dont realize this and dont have to worry as the Grizzlies are not (and never have), lived down there.. Its a #### show as usual with the NDP..
 
Slamfire said:
"The Species at Risk Act (SARA) identifies COSEWIC as one of its key components. The Act mandates COSEWIC to use the best available scientific, Aboriginal and community knowledge to assess the status of wildlife species that may be at risk of disappearing from Canada. COSEWIC's wildlife species assessments are taken into consideration by the Government of Canada when establishing the Legal List of Species at Risk."

http://www.cosewic.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=en&n=A3B2015B-1#wsE62F57B1
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Slamfire: Grizzlies are not at risk in BC.. they are over populated.. the stats are out there..
 
I have no interest in hunting Grizzly bears myself, I'm only a meat hunter.

But there are way too many of them here in the southern Rocky Mountain Trench!

I see more and more sign every year while I'm out Deer and Elk hunting hunting.

I've been told by locals who have been involved in recent population studies, that there are about 3500 of them here between Cranbrook and Golden,
as well as about 350 in the Elk Valley in the Fernie/Elkford region.

Now we will see even more Bear/Human encounters in the future.
 
FLHTCUI said:
You really have to ask this question?
Seriously , this Hunt will be turned over to the Natives within three years if the NDP can last that long.
Thats not a doom and gloom prediction.
I predict this as how the Feds have literal turned the Salmon fishery over to them along with the Herring Roe Fishery among others.
I am not ranting about those decisions I save that for the Politicians... this is an unfounded prediction.
Rob
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It's not a prediction. It's a foregone conclusion that only requires a little more time to become full blown reality.
If only the rest of us had the guts to stand up for ourselves like the indigenous peoples do and protest to the people who have the power to change things rather than whine and complain on here way out in empty cyberspace where nobody important will ever hear our concerns.

It's no accident the Indians are being 'stroked' by the politicians.
They will go eyeball to eyeball with the governments when they figure their rights are being trampled.
No internet rant forum for them.
Boots on the ground, nose to nose until they get their justice.
I in fact admire them.

Nobody wants to admit it's an issue and give it substance.
Because if they did that they'd have to hang their heads in shame when the begged question "Why aren't you doing something about it?" was asked.

Like so many other outstanding issues we are hiding from for lack of intestinal fortitude.
 
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Luckybeer said:
Slamfire: Grizzlies are not at risk in BC.. they are over populated.. the stats are out there..
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you do not know what is cosewic, do you? if someone is sending a report (lets say a first nation community on the great bear forest ...) about an endanger population after the hunting ban then cosewic is and if ottawa thinks there is a problem then the province is no more responsible for the grizzly in the whole BC ...

i need to add that if for any reason any given local grizzly population is on decline and ot recovering this is where cosewic will lead a little more trouble to bring it back for the whole province ... just think out the box: the anti-hunters created tools that we didnt see coming now they are here ...
 
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green party announces they want a full ban on bear hunting not only for the trophy part ... even if the coalition is not lasting a lot of damages can be done fast ...
 
Our Ontario spring black bear hunt was cancelled by the mike harris pc government back in the 90s and the ban lasted about 20 years until reversed by the wynne liberals thanks to the ofah that formed the core of the lobby group.
We can win if we are organized and determined.
No point in blaming the indians or anyone else if we are just sitting on our wallets and whining.
 
medvedqc said:
watch out too that the grizzly hunting is not giving to Ottawa. the Feds can be above everything in case of cosewic and take over ....
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Slamfire said:
"The Species at Risk Act (SARA) identifies COSEWIC as one of its key components. The Act mandates COSEWIC to use the best available scientific, Aboriginal and community knowledge to assess the status of wildlife species that may be at risk of disappearing from Canada. COSEWIC's wildlife species assessments are taken into consideration by the Government of Canada when establishing the Legal List of Species at Risk."

http://www.cosewic.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=en&n=A3B2015B-1#wsE62F57B1
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Luckybeer said:
Slamfire: Grizzlies are not at risk in BC.. they are over populated.. the stats are out there..
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:confused: Only elaborating on medvedqc's insight, COSEWIC has influence at the federal level.
 
The government announcement that there are "about 15.000 Grizzlies in the Province of BC.

That there is alot of Grizzlies.
With out culling the boars, the population will drop fast.

Male Grizzlies will kill any cub they encounter, the population will suffer with in only a few years.

I'm suprized the head of conservation BC has not brought this up too the GOBC.

Very strange indeed.

I'm not a bear dude as I like too keep my distances from them.

Don
 
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