Grizzly hunter shot by guide, widow to sue
- Thread starter Slamfire
- Start date
I seriously suggest you guys stay away from hunting dangerous game..... or hunting anywhere dangerous game is present.....
- Location
- In the shadows of the Rockies
A big wounding surcharge could be a deterrent for clients not to wound game with iffy shots or whatever, say tack on several Grand for the guide alone to deal with a wounded Grizzly. Legal authority required to do that. Apparently in this case the guides finished off the wounded Grizzly.
An example of what this outfitter charges for game wounded by a client -
"Extra services, surcharges, penalties:
Wounding fee……………50% of the wounded game value
with exception of tusker 450€ and sow 200€.
.
.
Tracking of the wounded game with hunting dog …......…45 €"
http://www.hubertushuntingtours.com/cgi-bin/allegati/2675356_No%20Trophies%20plus%20Wild%20Boar%20Hunting%20Offer%202016-2017.pdf
An example of what this outfitter charges for game wounded by a client -
"Extra services, surcharges, penalties:
Wounding fee……………50% of the wounded game value
with exception of tusker 450€ and sow 200€.
.
.
Tracking of the wounded game with hunting dog …......…45 €"
http://www.hubertushuntingtours.com/cgi-bin/allegati/2675356_No%20Trophies%20plus%20Wild%20Boar%20Hunting%20Offer%202016-2017.pdf
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bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
Wounding fees are common in Europe and Africa where a trophy fee is assessed for each animal you shoot, on top of the daily flat rate. North American hunts are different in that there's usually a package price, so this would be a little harder to enforce.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Agreed on wounding fees bearkilr. Also an easy way to gain sour word of mouth reviews, your fault or not. Doubt a 50% surcharge and empty handed hunt will ever be told kindly or in full fact when your operation is discussed places you’re not present to explain the situation.
Lotta armchair in this discussion. Some of the comments out of folks who’ve never even seen a wild grizzly are getting my collar hot, best to now view this thread as entertianment perhaps rather than discussion.
Lotta armchair in this discussion. Some of the comments out of folks who’ve never even seen a wild grizzly are getting my collar hot, best to now view this thread as entertianment perhaps rather than discussion.
An angry, wounded 400 pound black bear is an awesome creature... and angry, wounded 800 pound grizzly is exponentially more awesome... the armchair opinions would flip pretty quickly if they had ever experienced what these guides and hunter experienced.
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
True, however I've seen policies such as "a $500/$1000 fee will be assessed to continue hunting where there's blood and the animal can't be found." Other places, you're done if it can't be found. #1 thing is to make sure hunters know this before they book, surprises aren't welcomed.
It will make some think twice about their actual marksmanship.
There seems to be a lot of posturing here.....
My personal opinion is that the whole point of a dangerous game adventure is to hunt something that might decide to hunt you back..... I have been in a couple of “dangerous” situations hunting black bear and wild boar that made my neck hair stand on end, I can only imagine what facing a wounded grizzly would be like.....
As usual, the media does us and the outfitting trade a disservice by leaving out many facts..... how de we know the grizz didn’t show itself and the client soiled his pants and ran into the line of fire whilst screaming like my ex with my credit card at a black Friday sale?
I am sure the situation was discussed beforehand and something went wrong...... but we don’t know all of the facts..... except for the fact that the outfitter was not criminally charged, which certainly means something...
My personal opinion is that the whole point of a dangerous game adventure is to hunt something that might decide to hunt you back..... I have been in a couple of “dangerous” situations hunting black bear and wild boar that made my neck hair stand on end, I can only imagine what facing a wounded grizzly would be like.....
As usual, the media does us and the outfitting trade a disservice by leaving out many facts..... how de we know the grizz didn’t show itself and the client soiled his pants and ran into the line of fire whilst screaming like my ex with my credit card at a black Friday sale?
I am sure the situation was discussed beforehand and something went wrong...... but we don’t know all of the facts..... except for the fact that the outfitter was not criminally charged, which certainly means something...
- Location
- NFA country
Going hunting with the expectation of not being shot by your fellow hunters.
Sure sounds unreasonable to me.
Going hunting with the expectation of not being shot by your fellow hunters.
Sure sounds unreasonable to me.
So..... you know what happened?... please enlighten us if so.....
As I said, we don’t know that the hunter in question didn’t freak out and run into the line of fire etc... the only thing we do know is that the outfitter was not criminally charged... so, one point for the outfitter....
Given the size of shootin' iron most guides use, do you think a flak jacket would have helped? You're talking point-blank range with, most likely, a 45-70, 338 or 375.
Several times...... and don’t take this as a challenge Angus.....
I figure the proportions and the attack seemed realistic... just wonder what you are driving at here....
Keep in mind that you and Hoyt are likely the only two in this thread that have lived it... (not he revenant thank god.. lol).....
All I personally was driving at, was that thrill seekers need to deal with the thrills....
If a guided dangerous game hunt means living in a bubble and relying 100% on guides, well, it really isn’t a dangerous game hunt since you are relying on someone else to deal with the danger.....
According the the news article in the OP, (which may not be accurate of course)
They located the bear the next morning.
The guides told him not to approach the animal. It seems he did (but maybe not - it does not state)
Bear charged, guides shot. Doesn't mention if client shot. Maybe he did, maybe not
Does not state distance bear was from them when located and approached
There is a lot left out of this description of events and how they occurred.
It would be pretty easy to construct a scenario where he unintentionally got between the bear and the guides shooting.
All of this possibly occurring in 2-3 seconds.
Of course one could construct scenarios of complete negligence as well. But we don't know.
The Judge will have to sort that out.
Assuming the statements in the news are correct - guides told him not to approach - I would find it hard to place any blame on guides, trying to protect client.
I have read this entire thread, can hardly believe some of the opinions I am reading here.
They located the bear the next morning.
The guides told him not to approach the animal. It seems he did (but maybe not - it does not state)
Bear charged, guides shot. Doesn't mention if client shot. Maybe he did, maybe not
Does not state distance bear was from them when located and approached
There is a lot left out of this description of events and how they occurred.
It would be pretty easy to construct a scenario where he unintentionally got between the bear and the guides shooting.
All of this possibly occurring in 2-3 seconds.
Of course one could construct scenarios of complete negligence as well. But we don't know.
The Judge will have to sort that out.
Assuming the statements in the news are correct - guides told him not to approach - I would find it hard to place any blame on guides, trying to protect client.
I have read this entire thread, can hardly believe some of the opinions I am reading here.
