Guerrilla Sniper Rifles - interesting concept/niche/philosophy

trekstor said:
Can I say anymore? I got my ar15 with 16 inch barrel on order.

My next buy is a ruger gunsite left hand model if they ever make it here.


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good add on for quick shots.

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Eliminator 3 coming this summer!

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Another Option. As much I hate the Norc or Polytech, Id like to get my hands on a Springfield which gets really good reviews for awesome accuracy out the box. I couldn't hit jack with my norc out the box.

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My other option. AWESOME, AWESOME and VERY AWESOME. Only issue, hard to get accessories, but if your looking for a GSR, this would be more then you need. Maybe a bipod and nice scope. VERY ACCURATE. I had 0 issues hitting with the ghost rings, and has no recoil.

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What's the Eliminator 3? Laser rangefinder integrated into a scope?
 
Fenix.NZ said:
yup, and we're talking about the practical/field application of your service skills.. you can do it on a nice flat range .. where you know the distance..

can you do it off the side of a hill down into a gully using a rock or fallen tree as a rest ?
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Using rests kind of cheapens it....but yes to all of the above.
Add a little pairs fire and movement in there and you have a nice team event.;)
 
Snowy,

yep i did think over all you've written before i made the original post.. and like ive said, i dont necessarily agree with their terminology and intended uses.. but i was simply passing on the info in the same format as i found it.. albeit in a sloppy kind of way haha

i think over the course of the thread we've broken it all down into a much more acceptable and sensible notion of the type of shooting.. and ironed out some of the crazy/fantasy creases in the terminology and philosophy
 
Personally, I think the development of ones skill with a rifle for field use is a good idea. From a practical sense, it enables us to feed our families and ourselves in the gravest of circumstance where we can't go out to supermarket and buy what we need. A skill that perhaps many of us some spend more time refining, opposed to planning to fend off the "savage horde of the apocalypse".

Depending on where one lives, game animals may already be scarce. Being able to make shots at distance could mean the difference between eating or not.

While I agree with a number of things the Suarez Int'l delivers/trains for, I struggle with the concept of the Guerilla Sniper. While the skills to hit what you shooting at makes sense...I struggle with the "head shots at 200 and torso shots at 600" concept.

Here is why...all the SHTF, zombie bull#### aside, how many realistic circumstances can you put forward where one could potentially threats that require engagement of 200 to 600m? I can think of very few realistic scenarios.

Think about it. How can you articulate deadly force at 600m, or 200m? Is an armed person a threat at 600m? How are they a threat? Do they have the ability, means and intent to cause you grevious bodily harm or death that would warrant you delivering deadly force? Have you even given that any thought?

While there is some "world end" training out there that seemingly promotes the idea of deadly force as a way of life...there is no apparent emphasis on justification for this force...only how to do it.

I am all for meaningful training...I do it for a living. Just remember when the zombies are beaten back, don't be surprised when you face a court of your peers deciding whether or not your actions were justified or not.;)
 
^^^^^Judge

I agree 100% with that post.

To many nutters out there who think that in a shtf sit that they will shoot anything that moves. They never see the flip side to their logic.

"you only pick a fight when know you will win, thats how you survive" based on terrain/weapons/intel/enemy strength/etc...... of course there is a flip side to that as well.

This doomsday rambo crap all over the net is getting a bit crazy. Everybody is going to be the ultimate weapon and rule the land. I dont get it, it's about survival not going to war.
 
Tengoo said:
A "guerrilla sniper rifle" sounds to me like any decent hunting rifle with a good scope...in the hands of a person who has the skill and determination to use it to effect and maintain a low profile.

I think too many people get hung up on thinking about exotic equipment and ultra-long shots to the point that they forget that sniping is really just good shooting from careful concealment.
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Sums it up pretty well though I personally don't think a scope is an absolute necessity. I have had excellent results with my Schmidt Rubin K-31 open irons at 500 before. Though I will admit it gets harder to positively ID your target. I've noticed people here bringing up Simo Hayha as well and I would like to note that the majority of his kills were done with iron sights.
 
Sounds like a great way to make yourself sound like either a Walter Mitty or a potential terrorist/whacko, while helping to tar gun owners in general. I can see it now, "The Guerrilla Sniper Competition" coming to a range near you!:rolleyes:

Just forget all the "Call of Duty" inspired re-inventing the wheel crap and concentrate on becoming a master of the basic skills, if you want to call yourself a RIFLEMAN.

No offence you understand?;)
 
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RRCo. said:
Sounds like a great way to make yourself sound like either a Walter Mitty or a potential terrorist/whacko, while helping to tar gun owners in general. I can see it now, "The Guerrilla Sniper Competition" coming to a range near you!:rolleyes:

Just forget all the "Call of Duty" inspired re-inventing the wheel crap and concentrate on becoming a master of the basic skills, if you want to call yourself a RIFLEMAN.

No offence you understand?;)
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wild guess that you havent read anything but the original post..

the discussion long since put that part of it to bed
 
I think this thread would best be described as "What semi auto rifle setup is best for deer"...while the philosophy will be different, the end firearm will be similar.
 
OT..
That has GOT to be the best sig line ever..though it would be cool if you could include the link to the original post..
Absolutely classic..though 'duct tape' seems to be missing...

I can't stop laughing...

Just to try to keep on topic..how does 'Service Rifle', rank, in prep for the GSR scenario, or perhaps the 'practical intermediate/long range shooting skill set'...? Though shot on a 'known range' course, the deleberate, snaps, and rapid are good training, none the less..
 
A LOT of this sounds exactly like the type of shooting which has been going on at the CFB Shilo Gun Club and at the Fort la Bosse club in Virden....... for the last 25 years or so.

Good thing about these matches: there is NO chance to practise. The range is set up on Shoot Day, so nobody gets an advantage.

The Shilo club goes even farther, sending out a shoot spec prior to the shoot, then CHANGING something at the last minute. A match might be advertised as out to 400 yards but, when you get there, you find that it's out to 540....... metres.

Just little things like that.

Throw in obstacle courses, razor wire, 2 feet of snow, 35 below or 100 above and you have the idea.

If you can come out on top in a couple of THEIR matches, you can SHOOT.
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how does one get involved in these shilo shoots there smellie? they sound awesome, and not all that far away from me! can you post details, or pm please? when is the next one?
 
smellie said:
A LOT of this sounds exactly like the type of shooting which has been going on at the CFB Shilo Gun Club and at the Fort la Bosse club in Virden....... for the last 25 years or so.

Good thing about these matches: there is NO chance to practise. The range is set up on Shoot Day, so nobody gets an advantage.

The Shilo club goes even farther, sending out a shoot spec prior to the shoot, then CHANGING something at the last minute. A match might be advertised as out to 400 yards but, when you get there, you find that it's out to 540....... metres.

Just little things like that.

Throw in obstacle courses, razor wire, 2 feet of snow, 35 below or 100 above and you have the idea.

If you can come out on top in a couple of THEIR matches, you can SHOOT.
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Smellie,

Just to make sure that I understand you correctly, could you add some more information about those matches at the CFB Shilo Gun Club and the Fort la Bosse Club, namely :

- the size and shape of the targets (round,square,humanoid,etc)
- the material used (paper or steel)
- the minimun/maximum calibers allowed, if any
- the ranges involved (distances, known or unknown)
- man against man matches (simultaneously, side by side, on two identical sets of targets located at the same ranges)
- time constraints, if any
- telescope/iron sights (mixed) in the same matches - meaning no separate matches for telescopes and for iron sights
- shooting positions (shooter's choice all the way or prone only)

Now, we are talking Practical Rifle Shooting - and as for me, nothing compares.

Snowy Owl
 
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Fenix.NZ said:
i figure this deserves to go here rather than the precision rifles section..

I stumbled across a picture on google yesterday that took me to the Warrior talk forum... in particular the GSR section ..

something i hadnt seen before, a GSR was an accuracy and optics capable rifle to 600-700m and using a round capable of stopping a person..

right now you're thinking.. Typical American SHTF Wolverines type stuff..

but their requirements for their GSR's were heads at 200 and torso's at 600 .. which means even a 2.5MOA rifle is capable .. so it opens up all those battle rifles that people previously thought wouldnt be any good at range as they dont shoot sub moa ..
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Here is the entire article... LINK




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RRCo. said:
Sounds like a great way to make yourself sound like either a Walter Mitty or a potential terrorist/whacko, while helping to tar gun owners in general. I can see it now, "The Guerrilla Sniper Competition" coming to a range near you!:rolleyes:

Just forget all the "Call of Duty" inspired re-inventing the wheel crap and concentrate on becoming a master of the basic skills, if you want to call yourself a RIFLEMAN.

No offence you understand?;)
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Wow ...

Just wonderin' ... how much lube does it actually take to get your head up your own ass ??
 
sobo4303 said:
Now for a little dose of reality.

I would think a hunting rifle will do just fine for self defense and the like (I'm sure there are some folks just drooling over the multiple scenario possibilities while fondling their war hammers) but for battle, I think they would be woefully ineffective.

This brings me to my point - reality. All this SHTF stuff is nonsense, fantasy and garbage. Don't even get me started with the whole zombie thing. I would wager that the vast majority of the people participating the these SHTF forums have no clue or experience as to what really happens when the SHTF in a real battle. Call of Duty does not apply.

Any of you ever speak to and listen to a vet, someone whom has been there and seen real action, including killing, inflicting horrific wounds to another human being? Read any of their biographies? Consider this, they were trained to perform those tasks and they had a hard time and were frightened out of their minds. One common theme, every single one of them would not choose to be there, ever if they had a choice the second time around because living was too precious to them.

There will never be a disintegration of government such that a "Mad Max" world becomes any kind of reality. Even if it did happen, I wager most of the untrained civilian "Soldiers of Fortune wannabes" would be wetting themselves the first time real bullets were whizzing over their heads or worst yet, inflicting horrible, irreversible wounds to the friend next to you. No, the real soldiers will be fighting to protect and defend our liberties.

History has a blatantly truthful way of showing to us that those untrained and unskilled in the art of war are usually and sadly, the first to be killed or sacrificed, in some cases by the hundreds.

It's fun to fantasize, but we need to keep our grip on reality too.
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Yeah ...

The government are your friend & working for you. I swear, Canadian's are easily as stupid as American's.

Defend OUR liberties? Haven't got a clue do you? Pathetic ..
 
600 Mohawk said:
Yeah ...

The government are your friend & working for you. I swear, Canadian's are easily as stupid as American's.

Defend OUR liberties? Haven't got a clue do you? Pathetic ..
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Thanks for making my point Mohawk...you are a shining example. And yes, I do have a clue. The scarey thing is: how far are you willing go to promote your reality and show us how stupid we are?
 
600 Mohawk said:
Wow ...

Just wonderin' ... how much lube does it actually take to get your head up your own ass ??
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How old are you Mr. 127 posts? :rolleyes:

You might want to shape up before the Mods ship you out to cool off in the hallway.

We try to maintain a minimum level of intelligence and relevance, or at least humour in posts on CGN. Several of your comments in this thread don't meet the minimum standard. I haven't bothered to look at your other posts.

If you'd like a second or third opinion on that, I suggest you ask a few of the Mods.
 
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