Guerrilla Sniper Rifles - interesting concept/niche/philosophy

[Fenix.NZ]

Just ordered "Fry The Brain" by John West jr...looking forward to seeing what all the fuss is about.
Fenix, you kiwi pot stirrer...to you I say,"Arm the Maoris!" I'll bet they could make the Gurkhas blanche ;-)

haha well cant let you guys get set in your ways

 

[sobo4303]

Your so pathetically ignorant its dangerous. Shame on you for being so stupid.

You OBVIOUSLY suck up everything your force fed on CNN & the History channel.

Yup, you win, blissfully ignorant and watching CNN and the History Channel. Don't forget Discovery too, oh wise one. Forgive me for doubting you, oh enlightened one.

 

[Captain Paul]

This went sour fast!

Infractions handed out. READ THE RULES GUYS!!!!

 

[5440fight]

This went sour fast!

Infractions handed out. READ THE RULES GUYS!!!!

Aww, this was just getting funny. Someone was about to reveal their hidden inner idiot, and it wasn't me! Shucks. I bet if I stalk their posts, I can still see the big reveal...

Ah well.

 

[autocrash]

Aww, this was just getting funny. Someone was about to reveal their hidden inner idiot, and it wasn't me!

lol....

Interesting idea... the title aside this is basically just another way of saying:
Get out in the woods, shoot some tin cans... (at a distance) and I think we can all agree there is nothing better than that...


Just wish we could do it with AR's like in NZ...

-Matt

 

[pageophile]

Just ordered "Fry The Brain" by John West jr...looking forward to seeing what all the fuss is about.
Fenix, you kiwi pot stirrer...to you I say,"Arm the Maoris!" I'll bet they could make the Gurkhas blanche ;-)

It's a real eye opener and the easiest way to get onto the DHS watch list (thank you Amazon One Click)

Joking about the last point but not the first one. The book is very dense with a lot of info.

 

[machman]

LOl...but that did occur to me...kind of like buying a copy of "Catcher in the Rye"...'Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're not under the microscope'

It's a real eye opener and the easiest way to get onto the DHS watch list (thank you Amazon One Click)

Joking about the last point but not the first one. The book is very dense with a lot of info.

 

[Papaclaude]

Me, maybe I'm dumb, but I got a real funny feeling that if SHTF really happened, first of all, I hope I don't get to see the outcome. Second, I got another funny feeling that tells me that for 90% of urban guerillas, SHTF would quickly become SHTS (Sh!t Hits the Shorts).

 

[geotensor]

This is an interesting concept. It's something I can get behind. Tagged for interest.

Now for a little dose of reality.

I would think a hunting rifle will do just fine for self defense and the like (I'm sure there are some folks just drooling over the multiple scenario possibilities while fondling their war hammers) but for battle, I think they would be woefully ineffective.

This brings me to my point - reality. All this SHTF stuff is nonsense, fantasy and garbage. Don't even get me started with the whole zombie thing. I would wager that the vast majority of the people participating the these SHTF forums have no clue or experience as to what really happens when the SHTF in a real battle. Call of Duty does not apply.

Any of you ever speak to and listen to a vet, someone whom has been there and seen real action, including killing, inflicting horrific wounds to another human being? Read any of their biographies? Consider this, they were trained to perform those tasks and they had a hard time and were frightened out of their minds. One common theme, every single one of them would not choose to be there, ever if they had a choice the second time around because living was too precious to them.

There will never be a disintegration of government such that a "Mad Max" world becomes any kind of reality. Even if it did happen, I wager most of the untrained civilian "Soldiers of Fortune wannabes" would be wetting themselves the first time real bullets were whizzing over their heads or worst yet, inflicting horrible, irreversible wounds to the friend next to you. No, the real soldiers will be fighting to protect and defend our liberties.

History has a blatantly truthful way of showing to us that those untrained and unskilled in the art of war are usually and sadly, the first to be killed or sacrificed, in some cases by the hundreds.

It's fun to fantasize, but we need to keep our grip on reality too.

Now, not to be a smartass, but couldn't that be explained by simply pointing out that most of them were drafted and fought in a foreign land? Nobody is going to have any real mental scars for using lethal force to defend your home, so why would it be any different when you defend your community? People would be more tightknit in those scenarios, kinda like an extended family. I don't think there would be too many qualms against pulling the trigger in those cases.

That's why I believe it wouldn't be that violent of a scenario, unless you live in the city. Oh, and clean water is more important than ammo. Those solar heaters are a tempting investment.

Fenix,

Sure, you may call it anything you want and "Practical Field Shooting" is quite appropriate but that would apply only to your shooting discipline. I have also read about the "Guerrilla Sniper Rifle" courses that Mr Gabe Suarez offers to all three casts of society, namely policemen, military and low life "civilians", exactly in that pecking order. (I don't want your thread to be locked up so I am trying very hard to be as politically correct as possible).

Now, the courses offered by Mr Suarez are quite short in duration (two or three days) and they are not - by his own admission - true "sniper" training but on the other hand, they are not what might be called Practical Rifle Shooting neither. Mr Suarez lives in the U.S. and we both live outside the U.S. - in New Zealand and Canada, respectively. He writes that most of his clients are civilians (apparently, no need for quotation marks in his country).

The closest thing that I know of to Practical Rifle Shooting is what was taught by the late Colonel Jeff Cooper at his American Pistol Institute (Gunsite) in Paulden, Arizona. Colonel Cooper was putting much more emphasis on snap shots, time constraints, different shooting positions and the use of the sling as a shooting aid and less emphasis on firing beyond three hundred yards although there was also some firing at longer range - and some clay pigeon (going straight away) shooting too with the rifle. Yeah, I know, the last part of my sentence would put any and all policemen in Canada on the lookout but Arizona is not Canada. Like Colonel Cooper once wrote, it's another country - they do things differently there ...

Anyway, all in all, I still maintain that here on CGN, you DO NOT use the expression "sniper rifle" if you are only a low life low grade "civilian". You want to be politically correct and you use the expression "precision rifle" - just like Mr Suarez wrote himself. That way, you do not invite blows to head and body - figuratively speaking, of course. No incitement to violence, please !

That being said, I can tell you that I have seen some formidable Practical Rifle Shooting from low life low grade "civilians" but they were not and are not "snipers" nor "guerilla snipers" - if that can be of any comfort to our non elected authorities.

And yes, Practical Rifle Shooting "is an incredibly fun and personally rewarding way to shoot." I agree wholeheartedly with you !

Awesome post. I'm quoting it so that people don't miss it.

This sounds like a shooting style that I can actually get into. ISPC and all of the other sports didn't appeal to me too much. Maybe we can make a sport of this?