The government relies on hunters losing focus on the real issue and fighting among themselves over the remaining scraps. We will eventually eat all the scraps..................
Guide Outfitters Association
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The government relies on hunters losing focus on the real issue and fighting among themselves over the remaining scraps. We will eventually eat all the scraps..................
Don't forget that in BC, you are at reduced odds for three years after a successful LEH draw, so while people are not weighed in favour when not drawn, those that are drawn do have the odds reduced for three years. If doing a group or shared hunt, all applicants move to the lowest odds of an individual .. in other words, three people in a group or shared hunt, two have never been drawn, one just got a draw within the last three years, the entire group is at the reduced odds of the one that was previously drawn.
The thing about the LEH system in BC is that it is very much "luck of the draw" and as you know, some people are very lucky and some people are very unlucky ..... but the odds are stated and it's your choice as to what hunt you want to enter for. Never get drawn? , have an honest look at the odds for that hunt, maybe it's time to pick a different one ... It's human nature (but zero logic) to "feel" you should have better odds than someone else because you haven't been drawn in 10 years .. your odds are what ever is listed when you enter that LEH selection (unless you're at reduced odds due to being drawn previously...). But let's not let this thread slip into an LEH debate, it is what it is and our problems are not due to LEH, they are squarely with the Gov and how they handle game management and splitting the scraps between residents and GO's after FN's FSC hunts.
The thing about the LEH system in BC is that it is very much "luck of the draw" and as you know, some people are very lucky and some people are very unlucky ..... but the odds are stated and it's your choice as to what hunt you want to enter for. Never get drawn? , have an honest look at the odds for that hunt, maybe it's time to pick a different one ... It's human nature (but zero logic) to "feel" you should have better odds than someone else because you haven't been drawn in 10 years .. your odds are what ever is listed when you enter that LEH selection (unless you're at reduced odds due to being drawn previously...). But let's not let this thread slip into an LEH debate, it is what it is and our problems are not due to LEH, they are squarely with the Gov and how they handle game management and splitting the scraps between residents and GO's after FN's FSC hunts.
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Being that i am one of the 1.4 million and you live in a town of about 30 K i find this odd. My point is that the people from the city will get the lions share of the draws and the locals will end up having resentment and a greater possibility of poaching. A belief that, that Moose might just as well be shot by the local as left for the out of towner. The entire LEH became necessary for Moose because much of the Cariboo was much closer to major centers than say the Omineca or Peace. Some South Province FSR needed traffic lights 15 years ago during the two week general Moose season. Any Bull that stepped on a road for two weeks died. Much simpler to travel one day and one tank of fuel than go to the Peace which is three times further and three times the fuel bill.
Recently, the government has also started Doe draws. IMO this should happen only in areas with a high number of vehicle vs wildlife crashes. A managed percentage of bucks and bulls should not influence populations, killing does and cows can. It is simply greed by the government, extra tag dollars going to general revenue.
I always thought I'd use a outfitter up North so I could go on a dream hunt, but when they are doing stuff like this, it makes us real resident hunters very angry. And maybe its time for us to lobby and get their tags reduced by a lot
It is time to lobby and get it reduced. They pushed too hard, for too much.
This is what has been adopted as POLICY right now. It's not legislated yet, still time to change it. Does this seem fair? 230ish outfitters controlling this large a percentage compared to what 102 000 residents get?
Turn up the heat guys. Contact your MLA's. Tell them you VOTE and will do what you can to put them out of office if this goes through. CC the Premier and the Minister, but most importantly put pressure on your MLA- Lib or NDP. Get the opposition doing it's job.
REGION SPECIES RESIDENT
% SPLIT
INDUSTRY
% SPLIT
1 Bull Elk 80 20
1 Either ### Elk 80 20
1 Grizzly Bear 60 40
2 Bull Elk 80 20
3 Mountain Goat 65 35
3 Grizzly Bear 60 40
3 Moose 80 20
3 Big Horn Sheep 70 30
4 Big Horn Sheep GOS GOS
4 Mountain Goat 65 35
4 Grizzly Bear 60 40
4 Bull Moose 80 20
5 Moose 75 25
5 Bull Caribou 75 25
5 Grizzly Bear 60 40
5 Mountain Goat 65 35
6 North Thin Horn Sheep 60 40
6 South Moose 75 25
6 North Moose 75 25
6 South Mountain Goat 65 35
6 North Mountain Goat 65 35
6 North Caribou 75 25
6 South Grizzly Bear 60 40
6 North Grizzly Bear 60 40
7 A Bull Moose 75 25
7 A Grizzly Bear 60 40
7 B Mountain Goat 65 35
7 B Antlerless Elk 98 2
7 B Grizzly Bear 60 40
7 B Bison 80 20
8 Bull Moose 80 20
8 Big Horn Sheep 70 30
8 Mountain Goat 65 35
8 Grizzly Bear 60 40
They are selling out resident hunters in exchange for outfitter donations:
This is what has been adopted as POLICY right now. It's not legislated yet, still time to change it. Does this seem fair? 230ish outfitters controlling this large a percentage compared to what 102 000 residents get?
Turn up the heat guys. Contact your MLA's. Tell them you VOTE and will do what you can to put them out of office if this goes through. CC the Premier and the Minister, but most importantly put pressure on your MLA- Lib or NDP. Get the opposition doing it's job.
REGION SPECIES RESIDENT
% SPLIT
INDUSTRY
% SPLIT
1 Bull Elk 80 20
1 Either ### Elk 80 20
1 Grizzly Bear 60 40
2 Bull Elk 80 20
3 Mountain Goat 65 35
3 Grizzly Bear 60 40
3 Moose 80 20
3 Big Horn Sheep 70 30
4 Big Horn Sheep GOS GOS
4 Mountain Goat 65 35
4 Grizzly Bear 60 40
4 Bull Moose 80 20
5 Moose 75 25
5 Bull Caribou 75 25
5 Grizzly Bear 60 40
5 Mountain Goat 65 35
6 North Thin Horn Sheep 60 40
6 South Moose 75 25
6 North Moose 75 25
6 South Mountain Goat 65 35
6 North Mountain Goat 65 35
6 North Caribou 75 25
6 South Grizzly Bear 60 40
6 North Grizzly Bear 60 40
7 A Bull Moose 75 25
7 A Grizzly Bear 60 40
7 B Mountain Goat 65 35
7 B Antlerless Elk 98 2
7 B Grizzly Bear 60 40
7 B Bison 80 20
8 Bull Moose 80 20
8 Big Horn Sheep 70 30
8 Mountain Goat 65 35
8 Grizzly Bear 60 40
They are selling out resident hunters in exchange for outfitter donations:
Since the BCWF does not contribute to political ends and the GOABC does it is like taking a knife to a gun fight.
If you don't have the email for your MLA, here it is: https://www.leg.bc.ca/mla/3-1-7.htm
They are not sponsors!
If you don't have the email for your MLA, here it is: https://www.leg.bc.ca/mla/3-1-7.htm
They are not sponsors!
I'm sure it's not complete and up to date but it shows what's going on. Feel free to spread it around.
Keep in mind the GUIDE has all fall to hunt, and will over book to cover for failed early hunts so naturally their success rate is higher than the resident hunters. This becomes one of their prime arguments, if residents are not taking their quota then that should be turned over to the guides, (BULLSH!T)!
That's correct to a point .. but as Residents are harvesting very close to their allocation, we're knocking down as many as we are allowed. Even if we weren't, it wouldn't be an immediate transfer to the GO's. First the MOE would look at factors around why the residents aren't harvesting enough of their allocation and then make changes to address that (ease up on access restrictions, lengthen the season, etc.) and if and only if after three years of grossly under harvesting our quota would that un-harvested portion then move over to the GO's allocation. This is likely to never happen. This scenario works both ways, if the GO's don't harvest their allocation and changes have been made to 'help" them, then it transfers to the resident allocation, pretty fair really (jmo).
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Just seen on FACEBOOK that the B.C. Guide Outfitters Association is lobbying the government to "sharply reduce the amount of game taken by the public."
Anybody got a bead on this?
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I'm just wondering why this thread has such an uninformative title considering the subject?
not a big topic here on CGN but the Hunting BC forum is red hot on this issue
As a commentator pointed out, why not just auction the licenses allocated for foreign hunters to the hunters directly? It's fair, simple, direct and produces the most revenue for the taxpayer.
Once the hunter has won the auction for the license, they can choose whichever guide/outfitter they wish to use - or none at all.
It's not like there are not already existing auction venues, both private and governmental.
Once the hunter has won the auction for the license, they can choose whichever guide/outfitter they wish to use - or none at all.
It's not like there are not already existing auction venues, both private and governmental.
