Anyad Pitchaya
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It appears that out west, you get the benefit of the doubt. In Ontario, at least at a few of the clubs, there seems to be an almost anti-like paranoia of the unknown...
Gun Club Qualifications?
- Thread starter Rupert
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I wish it was like that here , but it is not, Most of the time .I am happy with some of the rules as I have seen some pretty foolish stuff and would not like to be on the next stall when that new or experienced member and I say that lightly. racks his slide pointed directly side ways. also I did not witness but have seen bullet holes on floor at firing line. holes in ceiling.
Maybe I am getting old and more cautious and I am super comfortable as this is my hobby and shoot approx four times a week. reload two days a week. and forget what newbies have to endure.
The whole idea is not what a gun club dictates but what the RCMP, CFO and media does and we have absolutely no choice, Like this new ATT, pay to have a gun license, prohibited pistols, restricted black rifles because of look.
Which battle to Pick?? The only thing I see good about a CFO they are the only one aloud in your house to inspect your firearms. If they we not there we would have issues with reg, police visiting. unless you have a flood of course. or evacuated, then they will come and pick your firearms up and store them for free
Maybe I am getting old and more cautious and I am super comfortable as this is my hobby and shoot approx four times a week. reload two days a week. and forget what newbies have to endure.
The whole idea is not what a gun club dictates but what the RCMP, CFO and media does and we have absolutely no choice, Like this new ATT, pay to have a gun license, prohibited pistols, restricted black rifles because of look.
Which battle to Pick?? The only thing I see good about a CFO they are the only one aloud in your house to inspect your firearms. If they we not there we would have issues with reg, police visiting. unless you have a flood of course. or evacuated, then they will come and pick your firearms up and store them for free
How about an entire year as a probationary member, then another as - what will we call it? I know, Hangaround - so one year as a probie, one as a hangaround - then have a great big booze and drug filled party and stomp the guy in and give him his colours. No wait... that was someone else.
If 12 probationary shoots are a good thing, then 24 shoots are twice as good?
I will take your 24 and give you 48, yes it does sound silly.
I have heard of a club that does have a 1 year probationary membership in Ontario. You also had to do like 12 shots or something like that in that year to get your membership or you start over again.
If you cannot show a new shooter how to shoot in a couple of shoots you have a problem. If you can’t approve a new member with years of experience from another club you have a problem. More times than enough you would not even be giving them an ATT.
I have trained people who have asked for further practice time after three shoots because they were new and nervous of firearms. This has nothing to do with their ability to learn, it is their ability to know target shooting is not dangerous. It is easier to learn to shoot a firearm than drive a car and from the amount of people who die on roads every year I know which one is more dangerous.
My new comparison for the year is how many people died at ranges or hunting in Ontario last year? None. How many people died snowmobiling in Ontario last year 18, dam that’s some dangerous sport.
I regret my first posting (apart of the 'hello' one) to be like this, but I had to vent out.
Another funny thing is you will not qualify if you put say 25, 30 or more in the 20cm circle at 25m.
You can only qualify if you put exactly 20 in.
So, hitting the thing 50 times w/o a single one out of the 20cm makes you not good enough? Why so much of hand twisting in the shooting? CFO, gun clubs...
Go figure... rules. We'll see how it goes...
Cheers!
jhs
Another funny thing is you will not qualify if you put say 25, 30 or more in the 20cm circle at 25m.
You can only qualify if you put exactly 20 in.
So, hitting the thing 50 times w/o a single one out of the 20cm makes you not good enough? Why so much of hand twisting in the shooting? CFO, gun clubs...
Go figure... rules. We'll see how it goes...
Cheers!
jhs
At the said club, again you only have to put 20rnds on the paper, you put 20 .22 rounds on the bench and shoot them at a large target not have to be in black anywhere on the sheet. easy to do. we have very young shooters to senior shooters and all have done it without a problem. If you can not do that. keep practicing, there is no extra charge and help is there at any probationary shoot. we have a good size membership. we are not a cash grab. If they just asked for you money and gave you a membership.because you wrote a test with no practical experience. that would just be irresponsible and I would not want to shoot there and probably would not be able to as there would be no room. As posted in this thread. you should read it, if you are experienced and have your ATT you can qualify on your first day. should not be a problem for someone who has practiced good gun control and habits. then shoot for the rest of your probationary shoots higher calibers. What is the issue? If you can not qualify. Practice. It is fun and that is what you join a gun club for. To improve your shooting and have fun.
ambishooter
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In our club, pay the membership fee, pass the qualification shoot (you have to prove you can keep your shots within the target @ 20 m), pass the basic handgun safety and complete and pass a written exam. Then we will request your ATT. You will not be allowed to shoot anything beyond .22 cal until you complete the probationary qualifications. During this period, you will be shooting under the supervision of an RO. If you are looking for a club particularly in TO, most of them are not accepting new member.
I had to pay my $35 (yes $35, not a typo) member fee at the LGS and show up at the range with whatever handgun/rifle i want. The only restriction is that they do not allow any calibers beyond .45, handgun or rifle. Mind you they don't allow shotguns either, that doesn't stop people from chewing up the "No shotguns" signs and the target boards with them....
No its not, that is the way you want it to be through irrational fear.
There are hundreds of ranges all across Canada where all that is required is to pay dues. And some how the world has not ended.
Shawn
So then I guess the most inportant question is Shawn does that make it right and safe?
Graydog
Is it right? That is subjective, and could vary from person to person.
Is it safe? Has there been any damage to property outside the range when it is used as designed? Has there been any injuries or fatalities when the range is being used properly? If the answer to both of these questions is No, then it can be said that it is safe.
I'll use my range as an example, because that is the one i know. It is unsupervised, during the warmer months someone from the club might be around doing spot checks but there is no RSO patrolling the place. Shooting hours is 1/2 hour after dawn to 1/2 before dusk. It is placed in a valley near a bend in the valley on the downrange end. Shoot at the target boards, and not over the berms and no round will leave the range.
Shoot over the berm and then you're lobbing rounds out of the valley into utilized farm land and beyond. That doesn't make the range unsafe, that just proves some people are idiots.
To the east of the range, in the bottom of the valley there is an oil tank/well. Unfortunately, this tank has taken hits in the recent past and the club is looking into a solution for the issue before we get closed down. That does mean the range is unsafe. The range was either abused, or someone put rounds into the tank from outside the range. The valley bottom is very wide open, and there is no evidence that the round originated from the range. However due to proximity... the range get's the heat.
thenewbieglockguy
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No!! Don't start up this thread again!!
Wow, why so aggressive?
Muddog, have I said anything wrong or I just misinterpreted you?
I read it. I am not experienced, I have no ATT.
Issue? Not at all. I mentioned the precise amt of shots in. It just does not make sense to me. I never said it's hard. That's my opinion and I shared it. If you don't like it, you could just disagree on it.
No need of shotgun approach. Only your first statement is relevant to what I posted and most of it plus the rest is patronizing.
The rules are as they are. I want in - I play by the rules. Don't like it? -> free to go play elsewhere. Club dislikes me - I go play elsewhere. Simple.
With the above I can not agree more and have never put it under question. And because it's fun I must have shot more than needed.
Cheers,
jhs
It's been right AND safe for over 100 years at Vic Fish and Game - with the exception of a police training NCO, no one has accidentally shot themselves, either new member or old hand. Much of the shooting that occurs is totally unsupervised, first visit or 50,000th visit, rifle, pistol or shotgun. Given that membership has increased by 300 per cent in recent years, you'd be led to believe it's a trauma factory up there, no probationary memberships, no 'holster course', lots of young guys with shotguns and SKS's, but guess what.... nothing, not one. Who'd have thunk that?
"right" is completely subjective and varies by the individual.
But safe is not subjective and I can answer in the affirmative with 100% certainty that it is safe.
You don't need 65 probationary shoots and completely re-teach the PAL course for some to go to the range and not shoot some one else. Its not rocket surgery.
Shawn
You guys have way more patience than I do. It is clear that many Ontario shooters like and want the nanny state blanket swaddling them in useless rules and that no amount of evidence or logic will convince them that the rest of the country does just fine without any of these ridiculous rules.
Mark
Its a curse Mark lol
And its more for the benefit of others that are reading this than it is for him. BS unchallenged becomes fact.
Shawn
