Gun Hunting without a PAL

Winnipeg Toymaker said:
I understand that "direct supervision" is only for a person under the age of 18...anyone past that age must hold thier own PAL-Pol to be in possession. And if he is hunting, he must hold his own hunting license.
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Negative.....that would mean anyone over 18 cannot shoot at a range with a licenced person.
 
In BC at least, no firearms licence is needed to hunt...as long as one is within eye-sight of someone else with a valid PAL. You can have be carrying and in control of your own firearm. You must have valid hunter number AND hunting licence to hunt though. So as long as he's done the CORE, and his buddy has a licence, he's good to go.
 
beefman said:
No firearms prohibition?

The OP wasn't to clear on the matter.
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My first thought as well. An incident with one too many beers can mean a lot of things. If it was anything to do with assault, uttering threats, domestic dispute, resisting arrest, possesion of drugs or something along those lines... a possesion of firearms ban could have been issued. Possesion does not mean owning but simply having in your possesion... ie, if you're holding it, you're currently possesing it.

Clear this up first before exploring the matter any further.
 
Donnie said:
You're right.

Ontario recognizes two types of resident hunters: gun hunters and non-gun hunters.


•Non-Gun Hunting - The Class H2 Outdoors Card allows hunting with all the methods permitted under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act except guns (primarily archery and falconry). To qualify for a H2 Outdoors Card, the applicant must provide proof of passing the Ontario Hunter Education Course exam

There is also this "apprenticeship" deal, but don't know much about it. Still need a license of some sort.



Hunter Apprenticeship Safety Program

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Can the falcon have a gun?:D
 
At our range...the member can bring a guest over 18, but that person CANNOT fire a weapon . A member can bring a person under 18 and they are to be "supervised" by a valid PAL holder.This is due to safty and insurance coverage.

The OP and myself were stating a hunting situation, not at a range. Of course each range has thier own set of rules.
 
As long as the "friend" is the holder of a valid hunting license/outdoor ID card, as per your provincial hunting regulations (which are seperate from federal firearms act provisions) your friend can carry and use a non-restricted firearm for hunting just as long as he/she is under direct supervision and you hold a valid firearms license. As long as the individual is within eyesight and hearing of you, he/she is generally considered to be under your direct care and control.

This provision is not limited to kids/teenagers or anyone else under the age of 18. Any adult can legally carry/use a non-restricted firearm in the field under the conditions specified above.

The only exception would be if the person is currently under a firearms prohibition order and the terms of which deny him access to any firearms. Incidentally, even prohibition orders may actually be worked around via legal means to permit sustenance hunting activities, etc... May take a little doing, but it has been done before.
 
Sorry for the delay.. just to clarify

1) the friend is not convicted yet. it's still being dealt with, at the courts.. (so it's a pending charge now)
2) there is no prohibition order (just a road side stop)
3) He's going to apply for his hunting license for the fall (but not his pal yet)
4) he's not a minor or apprentice

I think the 1 gun vs 2 guns is still in the air. I'm going to contact a Ontario CO to get an answer in writing to keep it with me.
 
no where in the firearms act does it say only one gun with regards to taking someone shooting...

but in the hunting regs, I believe you have to provide proof of PAL to get the "gun" hunting licence, so he may end up with a bowhunting only licence....

not sure why the MNR has made it this way......someone should be able to take the hunting course and get whatever hunting licence they want, regardless of their "firearms status"...


Here's the info.........

Ontario recognizes two types of resident hunters: gun hunters and non-gun hunters.

•Gun Hunting - The Class H1 Outdoors Card allows hunting with all the methods permitted under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act (guns, archery and falconry). To qualify for a H1 Outdoors Card, the applicant must provide proof of passing both the Ontario Hunter Education Course exam and the Canadian Firearms Safety Course exam.

•Non-Gun Hunting - The Class H2 Outdoors Card allows hunting with all the methods permitted under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act except guns (primarily archery and falconry). To qualify for a H2 Outdoors Card, the applicant must provide proof of passing the Ontario Hunter Education Course exam
 
Waterfowler said:
Show me where it says this....
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That will depend upon the province. In Nova Scotia, it used to stipulate that the hunter could have only one weapon.

Currently, in Nova Scotia, a hunter may have more than one weapon, but only one may be immediately available; any additional weapon(s) must be unloaded and encased.

I suspect that this regulation is intended to thwart those who would hunt without a hunting license.

http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/hunt/

http://www.gov.ns.ca/just/regulations/rxam-z.htm#wild
 
Wendell said:
That will depend upon the province. In Nova Scotia, it used to stipulate that the hunter could have only one weapon.

Currently, in Nova Scotia, a hunter may have more than one weapon, but only one may be immediately available; any additional weapon(s) must be unloaded and encased.

I suspect that this regulation is intended to thwart those who would hunt without a hunting license.

http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/hunt/

http://www.gov.ns.ca/just/regulations/rxam-z.htm#wild
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I was referring to it with regards to the firearms act, not provincial hunting regs.
 
Winnipeg Toymaker said:
At our range...the member can bring a guest over 18, but that person CANNOT fire a weapon . A member can bring a person under 18 and they are to be "supervised" by a valid PAL holder.This is due to safty and insurance coverage.

The OP and myself were stating a hunting situation, not at a range. Of course each range has thier own set of rules.
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Every range have it's own set of rules and that might be true at your's but it's not the law as I have been to sevral range (ok well 2!) that let me shoot without a PAL.

The law said that if you don't have a PAL you must be under direct supervition wich is generally understood as arm's length or talking distance.

That was also confirmed to me during an encounter with a police officier while target shooting with a PAL-less budy
 
I've confirmed with the MNR. You are allowed to have more then one firearm, as long as:

1) the other hunter has a H1 card (Firearms)
(To get the H1 you have to pass the firearms course, but you do NOT need a PAL)
2) they are under your direct supervision..

so in short.. my friend can take the firearms course,( do not submit PAL until charges are resolved) take the hunting course, and I can lend him a gun so both of us can go as a pair..
 
My understanding of this law is: federal law dictates that a non-PAL holder can possess a firearm under the direct supervision of a PAL holder.

The definition of direct supervision is vague, and provincial CFO's have defined it clearer for their province. That is why we have some various opinions here on the topic.

Some provinces have determined that direct supervsion means one PAL-one gun. I can't say which provinces though.
 
A roadside stop won't prevent the friend from getting his PAL. No need to wait. As long as the roadside stop didn't involve resisting arrest, they won't care.
 
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