Gun shops FRUSTRATING

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Ok, this is the third time ive been in the local gun shop and they will not give me the info i want. They have a cabinet where they keep the prohib's and have a collection of various Iver Johnsons, Smith and Wesson's and Harrington and Richardson's top break 32 revolvers (safety hammer and safety hammerless models). Im told they are all prohibited. When i start talking about antique status they turn and walk away like im trying to pull a fast one on them. Today i asked the lady if any of them were 32 rimfire...she finally said yes some are. I asked for s/n so i can check date of manufacture for antique status and she walked away again. Now i know that almost 0 smith and wesson top breaks were made in 32RF but the first and second model Iver Johnsons were 32RF and the first models made before 1898...and i know that almost all of the Harrington and Richardsons were 32RF and made prior to 1898.

What really drives me nuts is that they wont even open the cabinet to read a serial number or a patent date or anything. I would love to pic one of these up but alas i cant get no respect.

Maybe another fellow CGN'er would have better luck.
 
Buy a box of 22 ammo so they know you have a POL then they might be more willing to listen.
Some places cant be bothered deregistering a 32 RF worth a couple hundred bucks and i can kinda understand why.
That or there just stupid or dont know about Antique status guns.

Deregistration is a pain in the Ass slow if ya dont know exactly what to do and who to talk to.
Alot of them saterday night specials ivor johnson type junk guns are very hard to date.
I had one apart ONCE and could not understand why they had to be so complicated and like a putting back together a Watch not a gun.
i would never buy another one thats for sure.
 
Do they just in general walk away from you regardless of the questions? Do they hesitate to show you anything? Sounds like one of my local gunshops in Southern Ontario......
 
Its really anoying, the first question they ask is do you have prohib status? when i say no, i collect antiques and explain the antique regs they just say we have no antiques and walk away. One time a fellow actually spoke with me for a couple of minutes...he said that he never heard of the antique exemption before. I think that's why they wont even show me a gun or even check a s/n for me, they think im trying to pull one over on them. Is there something in the regs saying that i cant even take a look at a gun in a shop without flashing a PAL?
 
Its really anoying, the first question they ask is do you have prohib status? when i say no, i collect antiques and explain the antique regs they just say we have no antiques and walk away. One time a fellow actually spoke with me for a couple of minutes...he said that he never heard of the antique exemption before. I think that's why they wont even show me a gun or even check a s/n for me, they think im trying to pull one over on them. Is there something in the regs saying that i cant even take a look at a gun in a shop without flashing a PAL?

They actually have a belgian pinfire revolver in there listed as prohibited. When i told the guy it was antique he didnt have a clue. I asked about it again today and they said they are still researching it. I did a quick google search when i got back to work and had a bit of history on the types of guns and a rough value in about 5 min.

Ive heard a few other folks have had some frustration with these guys too...if youve ever dealt with handguns in Regina you know which shop im talking about...they're the only ones.
 
Do you know anyone who has 12(6)? Have them go in and ask.
The rudeness that you have described is remarkable.
 
Those guys are morons, I have tried to buy stuff in there before and they won't give you the time of day if they don't know you. I still have to run up to S'toon to shop.
 
luftmech said:
I still have to run up to S'toon to shop.
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I try to get to wholesale sports anytime im up there...unfortunately i rarely get the chance to go up that way - maybe once a year if im lucky. Ive got a list of things i need to pick up next time im through Stoon...to bad it might be quite a long wait.
 
I'm sure that the problem is that for them to get it reclassed as an antique is more hassle than its worth. Are you going to pay their time with the Registrar to get it reclassified? Why should they go through the effort in order to make $40 on a sale where they can sell it to a 12(6) individual with no extra work?
 
Rudy H said:
I'm sure that the problem is that for them to get it reclassed as an antique is more hassle than its worth.
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Don't you think they'd be able to ask a higher price for a legal antique that anyone can own than for a 12(6) that only a few could buy? They sound they either just don't care, or don't know that there is an antiques classification.
 
I know a dealer who routinely has antiques deregistered. An antique .32 rimfire sells for enough of a premium over a prohib. that it is worth his time.
 
Killer Kanuck said:
Don't you think they'd be able to ask a higher price for a legal antique that anyone can own than for a 12(6) that only a few could buy? They sound they either just don't care, or don't know that there is an antiques classification.
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If the price has already been set then they make nothing extra for going through the effort of de-registering it. It all depends on what the price is set at. If the price is $150 and they are making $50 on the sale then adding in a couple of hours to deal with the firearms registry does not make sense. If the price were set on the gun and you made a deal to cover the extra time involved then there should be no reason for them to not do the extra work. If you don't get paid for the extra time then why should you do it?
 
Rudy H said:
If the price has already been set then they make nothing extra for going through the effort of de-registering it. It all depends on what the price is set at. If the price is $150 and they are making $50 on the sale then adding in a couple of hours to deal with the firearms registry does not make sense. If the price were set on the gun and you made a deal to cover the extra time involved then there should be no reason for them to not do the extra work. If you don't get paid for the extra time then why should you do it?
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If they're operating a gun shop, or a shop of any sort, they should know about supply and demand. 12(6): big supply+little demand= low price. Antiques: low supply + big demand = high price.
I wouldn't expect them to sell it at the same price as a 12(6) - they'd be stupid if they did. But to not even consider looking into the deregistration process - what none said - they're plain lazy.
 
Honestly, with some of them i would have no issues with paying the little extra to have them de-registered as antiques. Like you said, they either dont know squat about the antique regs or are just lazy.
 
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