Gun storage question

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Hello,

Sorry for may be strange question, but I'm wondering what is a right way to store a handgun in safe ? (I can't store it in the transportation container)
I'd probably want to wrap it in some sort of rag, is it ok ? What kind of rag should I use in order to avoid any lint ?

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I wipe them of any fingerprints with a silicon cloth and put them in the safe. Priority is to control humidity in your safe.

There are some module you can buy to eliminate humidity (battery powered). Some people just run a low watt light bulb in their safe 24/7.
 
ekp said:
(I can't store it in the transportation container)
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Incorrect. You CAN store your restricted firearm in a container. Any transportation container must be “made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation” (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-4.html#h-9). Therefore you can store it in the transportation container if it meets the above requirements, because:

STORAGE OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS

6. An individual may store a restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is
o (i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
o (ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and

(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
o (i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
o (ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.
(http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-3.html#h-4)

On a contrary, if your safe does not meet “real safe” requirements (for instance, a gun cabinet is not a safe) then you cannot store the handgun inside, unless, of course, you place the gun in the above described container and the container in the cabinet.
 
You can store it a container / safe or whatever you think will satisfy the minimum requirement, but the most important thing to keep in mind if the #### hits the fan is that your "container" better satisfy the judges opinion of "cannot be easily broken into".
 
To ekp, I'm currently in a situation where my handguns are too plentiful for the safe I got for them. I wrap them in a rag so they can all fit without putting dings into each other. If your safe isn't in a humid area or mounted directly to any basement floors or walls without insulation you have nothing to worry about. Dry rags do not reach out and grab moisture from the air. So as long as you use nicely cleaned and well dried rags to wrap your guns they'll be fine PROVIDED the safe isn't a humidifier internally.
 
Thanks !
Just to clarify. I can't put gun into container and into my cabinet because transportation container just doesn't physically fit into the cabinet.
 
CristianM said:
On a contrary, if your safe does not meet “real safe” requirements (for instance, a gun cabinet is not a safe) then you cannot store the handgun inside, unless, of course, you place the gun in the above described container and the container in the cabinet.
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Could you reference the section of the firearms act that defines what a "real safe" actually is - because a judge in Ontario recently classified a steel changing room locker as an adequate safe for the storage of full autos. You were doing great up until that point.
 
enefgee said:
Could you reference the section of the firearms act that defines what a "real safe" actually is - because a judge in Ontario recently classified a steel changing room locker as an adequate safe for the storage of full autos. You were doing great up until that point.
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A certified club instructor in Ontario I had an ATT course with last year specifically stressed that a cabinet is not a safe. He said that the law clearly says "safe", not cabinet (he even put this into the exam questionnaire). I am sorry if this brings you any cognitive dissonance, I’m just saying what that instructor taught us in his authorised course. I don’t like it either.
At the same time, could you give some details (link maybe?) of that Ontario judge decision on the change room locker? That would be more powerful, from a legal point of view, than an instructor’s teaching.
 
CristianM said:
A certified club instructor in Ontario I had an ATT course with last year specifically stressed that a cabinet is not a safe. He said that the law clearly says "safe", not cabinet (he even put this into the exam questionnaire). I am sorry if this brings you any cognitive dissonance, I’m just saying what that instructor taught us in his authorised course. I don’t like it either.
At the same time, could you give some details (link maybe?) of that Ontario judge decision on the change room locker? That would be more powerful, from a legal point of view, than an instructor’s teaching.
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Is you "ATT Instructor" a judge that his job is to interpret the law and apply it?

I didn’t think so, I hate bring you any cognitive dissonance to you, but a judges interpretation out weighs your instructor’s.

Not that your instructor was purposely passing false information, but he is not the law and only passing on what he thinks is correct. Which may not actually be the law or the legal interpretation.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
Is you "ATT Instructor" a judge that his job is to interpret the law and apply it?

I didn’t think so, I hate bring you any cognitive dissonance to you, but a judges interpretation out weighs your instructor’s.

Not that your instructor was purposely passing false information, but he is not the law and only passing on what he thinks is correct. Which may not actually be the law or the legal interpretation.

Shawn
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First, that guy is not "my instructor". Second, I don't have too many cognitive dissonances, at some point my job was to teach how to avoid them.

So, where is the link to the Ontario judge decision?
 
so, for all the not answering of the question going on,

if your transport container doesn't fit, take it out. You may wish to put some egg-shell foam down to keep the metal-on-metal contact to a minimum. Make sure there's no moisture, i.e. oil it first. Lint to me is less of an issue than rust. Keeping humidity low is a challenge, the easiest way is to keep a light on. Another method would see an intake fan at the bottom and an output fan at the top to keep air circulating without generating heat. That would be my preference, if humidity was an issue in my safe, instead of something generating heat in a small area.
 
CristianM said:
A certified club instructor in Ontario I had an ATT course with last year specifically stressed that a cabinet is not a safe. He said that the law clearly says "safe", not cabinet (he even put this into the exam questionnaire). I am sorry if this brings you any cognitive dissonance, I’m just saying what that instructor taught us in his authorised course. I don’t like it either.
At the same time, could you give some details (link maybe?) of that Ontario judge decision on the change room locker? That would be more powerful, from a legal point of view, than an instructor’s teaching.
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There's a lot of BS built into the CFSC (I used to know one of the authors, and watched the course being developed, and he agreed that there's an abundance of BS, so it's not exactly sacriledge to say it), and then there's lots more added to it by people who believe they're doing the "right thing". Before "ACTS and PROVE" were invented, we managed to get along just fine with only 4 rules - imagine that. Many times the course is taught by the same policemen who charge people with "offences" such as not locking an NR, or possesion of a Grizzly 12.5" shotgun. Read the law, follow the law, if the law isn't clear to you join the NFA and CSSA (you should anyway) or seek competent legal council. For a brief over view of the judgement on the definition of "safe" you could also Google "Johnny Sombrero", but I see the real source material is referenced above. Also you must remember that some of us have been dealing with this crap since before it was made law, and we're still not in jail - which at the end of the day is what counts.
 
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Education- learning how to find the answers
Indoctrination- telling someone what to think

Unfortunately when you take the CFSC the instructors don't educate on how to find the answers, I don't think I have ever heard one tell anyone to look up the answer in the firearms act them self, I don't blame them but it would help clear up some confusion.
 
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