Guns Africa Dangerous game
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WTF are you talking about.....??? Your post is about dangerous game like lions in Africa, then you say you are only going to shoot game like Kudu. Are you sure that you know what you want or what you are going to do??? For once, TodBartel is right, you do need a note.
I believe the reference to game such as Kudu was in response to a question asking if other animals might be on the agenda.
Post #78 . "Where are you going for lion? Mounted? Vehicle? Base Camped? Foot? Escorted? What are others in your party carrying? Other predators and animals to be concerned about?
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5point9straight6
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Do you just want to defend yourself? I don't know, but doesn't the good old .45-70 do the trick on something like that? People bring down water buffalo with those. I have a Marlin 1895 that seems to be plenty accurate for defense purposes. I consistently hit a 4 inch diameter fence post from 50-70 yards away (open sights). Even with factory loads you will get severe destruction while there is absolutely no recoil!!! Factory loads knock down that same fence post with 2 shots, and my hand loads with 400gr flat nose bullets and 2050ft/sec muzzle velocity mow down the post in one shot. Lever action is fast to draw and chamber, and it costs a lot less than any of the other guns mentioned here!
Out here, fence posts don't pose much of a thread. Seriously though, the problem that I see with a lever gun (and I do hunt with one) is that the potential for mis-chambering a round is much too high as compared to say, a double where it is impossible, or a CRF bolt action. If you watch a video that Dogleg posted, you'll understand.
On fence post shooting: I imagine that the fence posts you're shooting at are "abandoned". In which case, they're usually too rotten to even hold up a single strand of barbed wire, and can be taken down with a .22LR. If the post in question, is green as in pressure treated, then it would offer worthwhile resistance, and likely not be "abandoned". In this case, you're probably destroying someone else's property.
Seriously though, the problem that I see with a lever gun (and I do hunt with one) is that the potential for mis-chambering a round is much too high as compared to say, a double where it is impossible, or a CRF bolt action. If you watch a video that Dogleg posted, you'll understand.On fence post shooting: I imagine that the fence posts you're shooting at are "abandoned". In which case, they're usually too rotten to even hold up a single strand of barbed wire, and can be taken down with a .22LR. If the post in question, is green as in pressure treated, then it would offer worthwhile resistance, and likely not be "abandoned". In this case, you're probably destroying someone else's property.
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5point9straight6
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shooting at posts
Don't worry about the fence posts, just appreciate the possibility that they could be my own property, and are specifically sacrificed to hold or be targets. And they are pretty new and solid chunks of lodgepole pine or store-bought posts.
I have never experienced a malfunction of any sort with the Marlin lever gun, even during quick chambering. I agree, if you can get the job done with two rounds out of a double-barrel, you're ok, however 4+1 rounds feel good too.
Don't worry about the fence posts, just appreciate the possibility that they could be my own property, and are specifically sacrificed to hold or be targets. And they are pretty new and solid chunks of lodgepole pine or store-bought posts.
I have never experienced a malfunction of any sort with the Marlin lever gun, even during quick chambering. I agree, if you can get the job done with two rounds out of a double-barrel, you're ok, however 4+1 rounds feel good too.
Here you go. 9.3x62 5 rnd mag semi and for sale in the EE.
Personaly I think it's an abomination but I still wouldn't kick it out of bed for eating crackers.
I don't know if the one in the ee has a 5 rnd'er
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There is someone on this site with a mk v .378 c/w brass for a pretty good price (i think from b.c.) if you do a search. I think it is around 1400.00 but it comes with a couple hundred in goodies. I think that you will probably be hunting other plains game if your going over there, and the trajectory and down range energy of the .378 wby can't be compared to the h&h i'm sorry. You will be with a ph, who is there to look after your safety, so two in the mag should be lots. My .378 is on a brno 602 with controlled round feeding and 3 in the mag. It is magna ported, which helps alot with muzzle jump, but will not blow out your eardrums. the only thing muzzle breaks are good for is bench shooting with double hearing protection. You should probably shoot a .378 before dumping a bunch of cash down, the recoil is another story.
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WRONG!!!!
The US, North Korea, Russia and China have NO provisions for "in transit". Permits are required.
If your plane touches down in any of these countries and you have guns they will be seized if you run into any of the BSA or Homeland Insecurity dudes who actually know the US laws..
Not sure if this 280 lb charging lioness is dead enough, 1 shot with my 300 win mag made her very tame and fully dissuaded her from joining us in the Land Cruiser..
Why everyone needs an elephant gun to shoot cats eludes me. I have killed alot of African critters includeing DG with nothing more than a 338 Lapua and my 300 win mag.
I think there is alot of "old guys" lore from the turn of the century that still is bantied around today. Unfortunately alot of the "expert" African advice offered by Boddington, Taylor and the like is ancient. Modern calibers and bullets make a HUGE difference.
Putting the bullet where it counts is the real trick.
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So doses the law, I belive that the minimum calibre allowed for dangerous game in most of africa is .375. That of course doses not mean that you cannot take any of the game, inculding dangerious game with calibres like your .300. Just that in many parts of africa, it may not be legal to do so.
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You are correct, many parts of Africa insist on caliber restrictions.
I think alot of this has more to do with the number of morons that show up that can't shoot well, so the governments enact legislation that although well meant actually is counterproductive. If a person can't shoot a smaller caliber well, then a bigger 1 won't make his shooting skill any better, just bigger bullets and calibers with higher energy to transfer means poor shots are more likely to be lethal.
Unfortunately they have not kept up with the progress in the firearms industry in many countries. The 338LAI I shoot has more energy at the muzzle than the 460 does, just in a far easier to shoot package.
The point I was trying to make is that, 1 does not need a howitzer to kill something, just a legal for the country caliber and some proficiency in shooting, decent bullet design, and common sense.
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The problem is often not what cartridge is the most suitable, but which rifle and which sight. The problem can be one of shooting under stress, the stress of a rapid short range charge. In the pic, there are 5 lions, you see the problem. The problem is stopping the lion you do not see. This is where the PH and the tracker earn their keep. It is up to them to keep you, the client, in tact, but you the client, must be ready to defend yourself should they be unable to accomplish that. This is Africa.
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The problem is often not what cartridge is the most suitable, but which rifle and which sight. The problem can be one of shooting under stress, the stress of a rapid short range charge. In the pic, there are 5 lions, you see the problem. The problem is stopping the lion you do not see. This is where the PH and the tracker earn their keep. It is up to them to keep you, the client, in tact, but you the client, must be ready to defend yourself should they be unable to accomplish that. This is Africa.
Very true. My close encounter was with a solitary female and at very close range and closing fast. Came out of nowhere, with a real attitude problem, while we were looking for Kudu.
My PH was a total waste of skin.
Choice of sight or optics as you mention is VERY important. I went over with a 6.5x20MK4 on my 300 but took a 3.5x10 Mk4 as a back up, glad I did and changed it on day 2 after realizing that the long shots I had been promised were possible was pure manure.
Gibbs I think you are correct again on Boddington, been along time since I looked at his book.
I think the 338s would be great, took a 2700 lb Cape with a 338 win mag in 1980. 1 shot ay 225 yards using a 250 Partition in the neck.
The 338LAI I took last June dropped my 2050 lb Eland at 550 yards, used a 325 gr Wildcat bullet, penetration was over 5 feet and I recovered 313 grains of bullet
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Pathfinder
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He certainly looks pretty big parked 5 feet in front the hunters..
I read that the Giant Eland comes as heavy as 2000 lbs, so a 2800 lb eland is quite the Eland Indeed. Not saying its a load bull just not typical.....
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He certainly looks pretty big parked 5 feet in front the hunters..
I read that the Giant Eland comes as heavy as 2000 lbs, so a 2800 lb eland is quite the Eland Indeed. Not saying its a load bull just not typical.....
Yes typo a has occurred should have read 2050
2000 lbs is NOT typical, and according to the scale they hung him from that was the number this was includeing guts and feet. How precise the scale was is anyones guess. I can assure you though he was huge to be beside.
The 338LAI leaning against him is 56" from butt to muzzle.
I stand a full 6 feet tall and felt dwarfed beside him. The scale bar was not high enough off the ground to get him fully off the floor as you can see.
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Pathfinder
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That is a massive beast indeed. I hope to get down there one day and get my own.
