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H&K MR308 coming soon!
- Thread starter elektrobug
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You forgot to include the POF P-308 which is also a Gas Piston and retails US for @ $2,600 (which should put it around $3,600 or $3,700 Canadian retail). Only problem is POF is quoting 24 to 25 week delivery on orders.
But sounds like there are going to be a lot of offerings in the "308" semi AR family very soon.
Mark
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- Port Perry/Toronto
Don't forget the Swiss Arms SAPR!!!
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- Sudbury, On
Why do I get the feeling it'd be deemed restricted even with a twenty inch target barrel?
And no lefty variant, as always.
(At that price, there is absolutely NO excuse.)
+1Why do I get the feeling it'd be deemed restricted even with a twenty inch target barrel?
And no lefty variant, as always.
(At that price, there is absolutely NO excuse.)
That is one thing i found annoying, is the little fact the MR223 did not come with an ambi - switch for the selector, but that is not really a big deal. As for a H&K Ar made truly lefty like, including bolt an all, HK is too big for that for it's time. But it would be nice, but I'm a switch shooter so I'm good either way.
And all AR's are made lefty compatible except for the original without the case deflector on the upper receiver. Although not intentional designed to be lefty compatible.
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- Sudbury, On
If Stag can do it for half the price - why not H&K?
Mirroring a CNC image can't be that hard.
dangertree
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- NL/ON/FL/PL
HK G36 is NOT prohibited by name. Since H&K doesn't sell G36es to civilians, G36es probably were not in the firearms catalogue that was used to generate the list of prohibs.
In fact, for mere 9000$ + shipping and tax Wolverine Supply will sell you an authentic H&K G36P. (As an aside, am not familiar with the P version, and that one's not restricted, so how is it different from regular G36?)
Technically SL8 is a civilian variant of G36, and those who can't afford that kind of money tend to buy H&K SL8s, and replace the stocks, sights, etc to approximate the look of a G36.
To preempt your next question, Germany has a law where civilians can not own the same guns as military, and H&K USA is a daughter company of H&K Germany. There have been cases of regional distributors in various countries selling H&K military products to civilians (Canadian distributor apparently did for a while, and then H&K found out, and switched to using R. Nicholls Distributors Inc for distribution in Canada. In fact that's probably how the G36P above made it into civilian hands), but in all cases selling to civilians is swiftly dealt with by H&K.
HK416 uppers and G36 parts (without receiver) show up on the market once in a while, at least in US, because a dealer can request from H&K a sample of HK416 for law enforcement or military customers (usually requires a letter on a letter head of end user). Upon completion of evaluation, the firearm gets destroyed. In case of HK416 the lower has the serial number, so it gets destroyed (or returned to H&K). In case of G36 commonish practice is to use a grinder and cut through receiver just behind the barrel and just before the stock block, effectively cutting out the receiver from the rest of the firearm. The end result looks like this: http://w ww.hkparts.net/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=614&idcategory=13 (HK Parts doesn't ship to Canada, so I am not sure if I even should be obfuscating the URL)
Any way, back to the topic on hand...
If I understand correctly, the difference between MR223 and HK416 is the location of the take down pin on the lower, where effectively MR223 upper will not accept any other lower then HK. Is that still the case with MR308?
(I presume that yes, since HK needs to differentiate the civilian and military versions).
So if you have MR223 and MR308, you might be able to switch lowers between the two, but not with any other AR-15s (or AR-10s) (without modding the parts), right?
In fact, for mere 9000$ + shipping and tax Wolverine Supply will sell you an authentic H&K G36P. (As an aside, am not familiar with the P version, and that one's not restricted, so how is it different from regular G36?)
Technically SL8 is a civilian variant of G36, and those who can't afford that kind of money tend to buy H&K SL8s, and replace the stocks, sights, etc to approximate the look of a G36.
To preempt your next question, Germany has a law where civilians can not own the same guns as military, and H&K USA is a daughter company of H&K Germany. There have been cases of regional distributors in various countries selling H&K military products to civilians (Canadian distributor apparently did for a while, and then H&K found out, and switched to using R. Nicholls Distributors Inc for distribution in Canada. In fact that's probably how the G36P above made it into civilian hands), but in all cases selling to civilians is swiftly dealt with by H&K.
HK416 uppers and G36 parts (without receiver) show up on the market once in a while, at least in US, because a dealer can request from H&K a sample of HK416 for law enforcement or military customers (usually requires a letter on a letter head of end user). Upon completion of evaluation, the firearm gets destroyed. In case of HK416 the lower has the serial number, so it gets destroyed (or returned to H&K). In case of G36 commonish practice is to use a grinder and cut through receiver just behind the barrel and just before the stock block, effectively cutting out the receiver from the rest of the firearm. The end result looks like this: http://w ww.hkparts.net/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=614&idcategory=13 (HK Parts doesn't ship to Canada, so I am not sure if I even should be obfuscating the URL)
Any way, back to the topic on hand...
If I understand correctly, the difference between MR223 and HK416 is the location of the take down pin on the lower, where effectively MR223 upper will not accept any other lower then HK. Is that still the case with MR308?
(I presume that yes, since HK needs to differentiate the civilian and military versions).
So if you have MR223 and MR308, you might be able to switch lowers between the two, but not with any other AR-15s (or AR-10s) (without modding the parts), right?
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Your opinion and half-hearted apology went out the proverbial window when you called the gun a piece of garbage.
I'm sure what all the critics in this thread meant to say was "I can not afford to buy this gun so instead I will heckle those with the means and desire to purchase it for their enjoyment. s**t, why did Powerstream just turn my electricity off?".
-Doh
My feeling is that - most of the highend 308 will end up to be nice safe's queens, due to the harsh reality of ammunition supply and price point of 308. There is no way the majority of the people can afford to find enough ammo and afford to shot a 308 battle rifle the way they can shoot a 556.
I can easily dished out 200-300 rounds, even with 5 round mags at a causal range session (since 223 price ballooned to 500 a case, I have cut down my outings a lot)
I have no doubt more than a few people can afford the price of the firearm itself, but those who can afford to become truly efficient about it will only be a handful.
A small hi-jack to this thread, what we need is a 7.62X39 in 1500 dollars price range.
I can easily dished out 200-300 rounds, even with 5 round mags at a causal range session (since 223 price ballooned to 500 a case, I have cut down my outings a lot)
I have no doubt more than a few people can afford the price of the firearm itself, but those who can afford to become truly efficient about it will only be a handful.
A small hi-jack to this thread, what we need is a 7.62X39 in 1500 dollars price range.
There is no doubt that there are many GOOD manufacturers of these rifles. However, there are some that are EXCEPTIONAL. I've owned Armalites and while a well made rifle, they are no comparison to the HKs. I cannot speak for the other brands you have mentioned.
The extra attention to detail, fit, finish and tolerances on the HKs really set them apart. I have a finance and manufacturing background (owned three manufacturing plants) and there is a world of difference in cost structure when you have plants like HK's that have very tight tolerance metrics and almost fanatical quality control. You are not just paying for a name. There is far more behind the rifle that many do not see.
As an example, the AR-10 SOF I purchased was a great little rifle but I had to send the bolt for replacement because it was not working properly. Whether or not it had been test fired at the factory or a sample taken is open to conjecture. That rifle would never have made it out of the HK factory.
There are many GOOD manufacturers but there are few EXCEPTIONAL manufacturers and like everything else you pay for what you get. I would place HK, SIG, FNH at the top, and the rest is open to opinion as is all of this.
The reality is unless were are all going in to battle tomorrow, are members of the military, or a police unit we are all just a bunch of posers driving lead through paper at the range and carting these expensive toys back and forth for the privilege of doing so. So arguments of firearm merit are fairly baseless, banal, and really serve no other purpose that topics of conversation.
