H&K SL8 or Sig SG550? and why?

Sig 550. Because:)

Truthfully I've never touched either one, only seen the 550 in person so don't put too much weight on my preference.
 
Well, firstly the Sig 550 is prohibited. The Classic Green rifles that we have available to us, although externally identical to the Sig 550, differ internally enough to not be considered a variant.

As for the rifles, each has pros and cons.

The Swiss Arms is the heavier of the two rifles. It is made of steel stampings, reinforced by machined steel parts as required. If you get the Classic Green model with iron sights, an additional rail must be purchased in order to mount optics. Conversely, there are flat top models available with an integral picatinny rail, but no iron sights.

The SL8 is a polymer receiver reinforced with steel. It is lighter than the Swiss, but does not come with iron sights (if I remember correctly). If you wish to turn it into a G36 look alike, you will be required to purchase conversion parts and the correct optics/red dot carry handle. This will bring the cost over that of the Swiss.

Factory magazines for both of them are expensive, but there are knock off Swiss Arms magazines that function just as well as the originals, and for less than half the price.

The SL8 can have a magwell conversion done so that it accepts AR-15 magazines. This cannot be done for the Swiss; however, NEA makes a conversion lower that takes both AR-15 magazines and AR-15 stocks.

Also bear in mind that the Swiss Arms is about $1000 (after tax) more than the SL8. They are both very accurate rifles. A consistent 1.5 MOA should be expected from both rifles, using decent ammunition.

All that being said, my vote goes to the Swiss Arms.

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I am going to add to his post. I have never handled the swiss arms so I can't add much to that side of the debate.
My additions are in bold.
Ar180shooter said:
Well, firstly the Sig 550 is prohibited. The Classic Green rifles that we have available to us, although externally identical to the Sig 550, differ internally enough to not be considered a variant.

As for the rifles, each has pros and cons.

The Swiss Arms is the heavier of the two rifles. It is made of steel stampings, reinforced by machined steel parts as required. If you get the Classic Green model with iron sights, an additional rail must be purchased in order to mount optics. Conversely, there are flat top models available with an integral picatinny rail, but no iron sights.

The SL8 is a (fiber reinforced) polymer (Nylon 66) receiver reinforced with steel. It is lighter than the Swiss. (the SL8-4 has a short rail no sights, the SL8-5 has a long rail with iron(plastic) sights. Not the best sights as the are a bit large.) If you wish to turn it into a G36 look alike, you will be required to purchase conversion parts and the correct optics/red dot carry handle. This will bring the cost over that of the Swiss. (there are other options for stock customizing from H.E.R.A Arms. There are also rail and accessory options available from other companied at many price points. See the link I posted below)

Factory magazines for both of them are expensive, but there are knock off Swiss Arms magazines that function just as well as the originals, and for less than half the price.

The SL8 can have a magwell conversion done so that it accepts AR-15 magazines. This cannot be done for the Swiss; however, NEA makes a conversion lower that takes both AR-15 magazines and AR-15 stocks.(there are also Spear magazines and now magpul magazines available for the SL8 that do not require a new magwel)

Also bear in mind that the Swiss Arms is about $1000 (after tax) more than the SL8. They are both very accurate rifles. A consistent 1.5 MOA should be expected from both rifles, using decent ammunition.

For ALL things SL8 go to this link:http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270868
And for all things Swiss Arms: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513834
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hacer2 said:
like the titles would say Hk sl8 or Swiss Arms and why?
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I would have to say the SL8, because I was never a fan of the heavier weight of the Swiss Arms. CNADNSL8-5 has already made all of the points for the SL8, so I'll just mention some of the cons (from my perspective) on the Swiss Arms. Aside from the weight, it doesn't come with any mounting rails and it won't accept standard AR magazines without a complete lower ($$). The SL8 will at least accept AR magazines with a mag well adapter and you've got a full-length top rail.
 
The ergonomics of the SL8 are a love it or hate it thing. The price tag of a modded Classic green can be nearly double an SL8. You really need to handly both. I did and ended up with the SL8. The AR 10 rd mags was the deal maker for me.
 
It depends. If you want to uncivilize the Sl8 then go with the PE-90. By the time you add a folding stock/pistol grip you're at the same price or more than a PE-90. Definitely more if you also add the bipod and a flash hider.

I consider the PE-90 in stock form as complete. Not necessarily so with the SL8. Flash hider, bayonet lug, folding stock (one of the few I like by the way), and built in bipod (although not the most stable). You can add rails if you want but it's pretty nice the way it is.

Accuracy wise the SL8 has a heavier barrel but the PE-90 seems to be very accurate as well.

I opted for the PE-90 based on the money pit ability of the SL8.
 
The PE90 is a more of a riflemans rifle than a tactical one. If you need rails or those übercool AR mags there are other rifles specifically designed for that.
The PE90 is best left the way it is in my opinion.

Swiss mags are great and Canam sells affordable ones. With a bit of practice you can still change them out pretty quick. It has a bit of weight to it but it is all steel and built tough.

Cant comment on the SL8, dont own one.

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Just out of curiosity, why are you limiting yourself to these 2 rifles? Have you considered the AR15?

2 weeks ago i was about to go all out on the sl8 - g36 project because it of the target barrel, NON RESTRICTED, cleaniness (you rarely have to clean that thing), unique charging handle mechanism, and HK!!!! All of this was cool, but pricey once you consider converting it to the G36. If you are planning on converting it, please don't go the cheap route (top notch conversion) because you will probably end up with a long length of pull that isnt confortable. If you are set on getting the SL8, go look into the HERA ARMs Gen 3 BLK stock conversion. It will allow you to use both AR15 and ACR folding stocks. With one of the heavier stocks, your rifle will feel more balanced and not front heavy thanks to the 20 inch heavy barrel, however, they are not currently avaliable in Canada yet.

I ended up with an AR15 because i didn`t feel I will ever need a non restricted rifle. Yes shooting gophers is fun but chances are ill be shooting at my indoor club 98% of the time.

On a side note... if you do plan on getting the SL8.. you can convert it to the G36K or the C..
 
xopher said:
I ended up with an AR15 because i didn`t feel I will ever need a non restricted rifle. Yes shooting gophers is fun but chances are ill be shooting at my indoor club 98% of the time.
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Some truth to this. My SL8 has never shot anywhere but the range, even though I love it for being NR. If you've got other NR toys, you need to weigh in really how important it is to you. Becomes less and less so for me every month.

Wanted to add, many of these rifles, even though they are "black" are completely different in terms of purpose. An SL8 isn't made for running around with, either in the mud or CQB. A Classic Green isn't made to be a nice bench rifle (though certainly capable of it) or running around a CQB course (in NR length I mean), as J996 says, it's a rifleman's rifle, and this comes through in how they feel in your hand.

That's just personal option from having handled and shot all of the above. Pick depending on what you realisitcaly are going to do with it. Don't buy without holding one. Eventually, you'll have one for each. :)
 
the_klenzer said:
Some truth to this. My SL8 has never shot anywhere but the range, even though I love it for being NR. If you've got other NR toys, you need to weigh in really how important it is to you. Becomes less and less so for me every month.

Wanted to add, many of these rifles, even though they are "black" are completely different in terms of purpose. An SL8 isn't made for running around with, either in the mud or CQB. A Classic Green isn't made to be a nice bench rifle (though certainly capable of it) or running around a CQB course (in NR length I mean), as J996 says, it's a rifleman's rifle, and this comes through in how they feel in your hand.

That's just personal option from having handled and shot all of the above. Pick depending on what you realisitcaly are going to do with it. Don't buy without holding one. Eventually, you'll have one for each. :)
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I've done that without issue. ;)
 
xopher said:
Just out of curiosity, why are you limiting yourself to these 2 rifles? Have you considered the AR15?
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well to answer that ive already had experience with AR family and to know the neat + and - sides of both those rifle. love the AR 15 i play with it just about as often as a play with myself lol but like always having a XL double double sometimes you need change. :)

(sry if i have offended anyone it would be unintented)

and if any1 can explain to me how to properly use the quote button it would be apreciated
 
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