Any one have any thoughts on the H and R buffalo classic in 45-70 and 38-55? I think it's not the best looking single shot, however, it's likely the cheapest single shot in 45-70 available. Has anyone shot one or seen one?You could probably throw on a vernier tang sight and shoot the hell out it, and have a good time doing it. Any one got an opinion on this gun?
Hand R Buffalo classic
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Forty4Forty
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- Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Yes I have, only shot about 70 rounds from it, at 100 yards with black powder with the Williams sights it great for steel plate shooting like a tack driver in that discipline you aim you hit. Recent Buffalo shoot 100yard steel places got 10/10 standing, 8x10 sitting at that point it broke open so my nerves gave up, but could have easily got 30/30. Not heavy but comfortable to hold. Very simple firearm, top break load and eject. Broke it in with Winchester factory ammo and it was quite happy. A very simple rifle. Not badly made, damage the stock a little with cleaning solvent so keep any off.
Now the “if - buts”. The few things I found I had to get used to, the first major problem I had, which I still believe is my fault and needs to retested, was that it would not close shut properly on a number of cartages, I think my OAL was wrong, too long, and black powder compression to high, or my closing technique, so do not necessary think a fault of the gun, but you need to be aware of the potential, I had one shot where is opened after firing, scary. This design has been around since the late 1800’s so should be OK.
Williams’s sight worked well, but difficult to adjust as need a screwdriver to move, as a screw locks it in place, I leave mine locked in for 100yards. Tang site will not fit, no space.
For $500.00 incl tax I think it was worth it, it’s not going to do Long Range like a Sharps, but for most ranges and hunting (don’t hunt so out of my league here) should be ok.
Oh and does it eject, watch the face, the cartridges if you don’t stop them hit you or fly behind you.
Also make sure you get the 8 inserts for the front site as advertised on the H&R website, I had to request and did not come with the rifle.
Now the “if - buts”. The few things I found I had to get used to, the first major problem I had, which I still believe is my fault and needs to retested, was that it would not close shut properly on a number of cartages, I think my OAL was wrong, too long, and black powder compression to high, or my closing technique, so do not necessary think a fault of the gun, but you need to be aware of the potential, I had one shot where is opened after firing, scary. This design has been around since the late 1800’s so should be OK.
Williams’s sight worked well, but difficult to adjust as need a screwdriver to move, as a screw locks it in place, I leave mine locked in for 100yards. Tang site will not fit, no space.
For $500.00 incl tax I think it was worth it, it’s not going to do Long Range like a Sharps, but for most ranges and hunting (don’t hunt so out of my league here) should be ok.
Oh and does it eject, watch the face, the cartridges if you don’t stop them hit you or fly behind you.
Also make sure you get the 8 inserts for the front site as advertised on the H&R website, I had to request and did not come with the rifle.
Yep,I just bought one last spring from 'Russells Sports'. This will be my one of my main hunting arms."YES" :shock: she does eject quite well :!: ,Like 44-40 said.
I may,maybe next year,try putting a scope on her to try :?: A good rifle for the price,I 1st read about it in an article by Col. Craig Boddington and was hooked immediately so I had to get one :wink: .You won't be dissapointed.I'm loading 300gr Hornady fn with IMR 4198 powder.She's zeroed 1 1/2" high @ 100yds.Here's mine :wink:
Huntsman
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I may,maybe next year,try putting a scope on her to try :?: A good rifle for the price,I 1st read about it in an article by Col. Craig Boddington and was hooked immediately so I had to get one :wink: .You won't be dissapointed.I'm loading 300gr Hornady fn with IMR 4198 powder.She's zeroed 1 1/2" high @ 100yds.Here's mine :wink:
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you must like what your hearing "sharpsguy" 'cause you hav'nt commented :lol:
Thats me with my H&R,I stand 5'11" FYI,I recently purchased a sling from Cabelas
to put on "after" I shoot my intended animal :wink: Here's a link ;
http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templ...&parentType=index&indexId=cat20819&hasJS=true
Thats me with my H&R,I stand 5'11" FYI,I recently purchased a sling from Cabelas
to put on "after" I shoot my intended animal :wink: Here's a link ;
http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templ...&parentType=index&indexId=cat20819&hasJS=true
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- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I dunno about jacketed bulletts, but the one my friend bought shoots black and cast like a hot dam!
It's a great shooter at one hundred or two hundred.
The chickens went down no sweat.
It doesn't have eenough eleevation with the factory sight forr BPCR, but I beleeive there is a tang style available for them
I wouldn't hesitate to buy one for hunting.
Cat
It's a great shooter at one hundred or two hundred.
The chickens went down no sweat.
It doesn't have eenough eleevation with the factory sight forr BPCR, but I beleeive there is a tang style available for them
I wouldn't hesitate to buy one for hunting.
Cat
I have one, totally stock except for the Williams' aperture sight replacement, and I just tried it with the Hornady Leverevolution ammo, the plastic-pointed stuff. I gotta tell you, this is now my hunting ammo. Two inches @ yards. I can't believe that with my eyes I am getting groups like this. It only works for me in bright sunlight with the tiniest aperture insert, which sharpens the sight picture so that even a blind bat like me can focus well, but even with a hunting aperture, or with none at all and using the sight itself as a ghost ring, I'm getting great accuracy (by my standards). The BC is easily one of my favourite guns. Outstanding out-of-the-box trigger, points and handles well, looks very cool. Despite what you hear about crescent buttplates, recoil is very comfortable with just about any loads that I feel safe using. I haven't hunted with it yet, and I can hardly wait.
John
p.s. mine's in .45-70.
John
p.s. mine's in .45-70.
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I had a .58 cal H&R Huntsman a few years ago with a breechplug that wasn't threaded just had "O"-rings. Clean, the 3rd shot would cause the action to open. A very scary gun - hopefully they fixed this? It seemed that the powder residue caused the catch to slip. They discontinued this a few years -and now have a threaded breechplug.
I'm guessing an empty cartridge case in the forhead is less lethal than a half pound breech plug?
I'm guessing an empty cartridge case in the forhead is less lethal than a half pound breech plug?
These BPCRs really shoot don't they.
I own 3 Shilohs and the least accurate will shoot 2" groups at 100 yards.
But I haven't finished load development for that rifle yet either.
When you're using aperture sights the front aperture should be at least twice as big as the bulls-eye with 3 times bigger being even better.
Want you want is the smallest hole on the rear sight staff.
I have a Hadley eye disk on each of my Sharps rifles and I increase the size of the rear aperture just until the target becomes clear and no more. That's where I keep it unless the light changes.
This is a 5 shot group @ 100 yards shot with my old 45-90 Farmingdale Shiloh.
I own 3 Shilohs and the least accurate will shoot 2" groups at 100 yards.
But I haven't finished load development for that rifle yet either.
When you're using aperture sights the front aperture should be at least twice as big as the bulls-eye with 3 times bigger being even better.
Want you want is the smallest hole on the rear sight staff.
I have a Hadley eye disk on each of my Sharps rifles and I increase the size of the rear aperture just until the target becomes clear and no more. That's where I keep it unless the light changes.
This is a 5 shot group @ 100 yards shot with my old 45-90 Farmingdale Shiloh.
