handgun ban in Canada

That's my concern...they may not be able to bat the lash of federal policy, but they could sure royally screw up what's in the hands of the provincial CFO...which issues ATT's, evaluates rpal applications, etc...or am I mistaken..?
 
Handgun bans do prevent crime. Look how well that's worked in Washington D.C., New York, and Chicago! NOT:rolleyes:
I won't bother to mention the U.K since we all know what a farce that has been.
 
I think everyone if forgetting 1 important thing;
Liberals will eventually come back into power.

As long as this is the case, a handgun ban is just being delayed as it is inevitable.
 
My impression is that it is inevitable only if it is allowed to pass. While the "we will ban handguns" promise has been thrown around, there's always been the question of "how"...

Our prisons and legal system would have a mighty hard time accommodating even 1% of the gun owners in canada...

Which brings me to another thought...a while back, someone asked about the feasibility of having a bill passed which protects citizens from having their rights to property infringed. Does that make sense?
 
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if ALL of us do not hand in our guns. theres no way they can arrest ALL of us. Though they'll probabally make examples out of some people (as a scare tactic). I guess it'll be a true test of love for our sport.
 
Scarecrow said:
I think everyone if forgetting 1 important thing;
Liberals will eventually come back into power.

As long as this is the case, a handgun ban is just being delayed as it is inevitable.
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Smart man. I completely agree...

Call me a pessimist and a defeatist, but mathematically, our odds are so disgustingly low that you might as well fold your hand: it's more realistic than dreaming about hitting that 1 outer for a royal flush.

I can't help but laugh at people trying to get us CCW. Seriously guys, we can't even have pistols of a certain barrel length and you think that somehow, they'll be convinced into letting us carry a firearm on a daily basis??

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sushix2 said:
if ALL of us do not hand in our guns. theres no way they can arrest ALL of us. Though they'll probabally make examples out of some people (as a scare tactic). I guess it'll be a true test of love for our sport.
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They can and will.

Everybody talks big on here, but they'll bend over backwards and hand over their possessions when asked because they've already subconsciously decided their lives are better spent and enjoyed without legal hassles.
 
This morning I heard on the news that Quebec wants to ban cell phone use while driving. Ontario Premier McGuinty pipes-up and says he does not want to follow suit.

One ban that I actually agree that could save lives and the fool doesn't want to do it... (I guess it will cost more votes than a handgun ban)
 
After the shameful treatment Bruce Montague and his family have received, I am at a loss to understand how the Ontario Government has held onto power, never mind have the gall to push their gun ban mentality across the country. In a just society they would of been removed for abuse of power, leaving the Liberal Party shattered beyond repair. I hope when the dust settles the Montague's are awarded beaucoup millions in damages, enough that that no provincial government would ever try to pull crap like that again. Maybe then talk of gun bans will be a thing of the past.
 
You Can't Arrest 50,000 Canadians?

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Originally Posted by whitbyman

You can't arrest 50,000 Canadians.


Right, but if 49,000 Canadians hand in their handguns like wusses, they can arrest the remaining 1,000.

If the remaining 1,000 report them stolen, it might take a few months, but every dwelling will be ripped apart from top to bottom. Even if your guns are in Pennsylvania.

Remember, at that point, you will be a criminal, and the media will report you as such. Even if you can plea bargan, your house will be wrecked.

This is why we must not break. 50, 000 Canadians will have strength. 1,000 Canadians will be crushed.

Note: McGuinty was captured on audio yesterday, responding to a possible cell phone/driving law in Ontario. After commenting on drinking coffee and putting on eye makeup in a car, he said something like, you can't ban everything. I will act on the advice of the police on this issue.

So, if the police believe that taking on Ontario handgun owners is not in the province's best interests, they will advise against it.

We must hang together, and make it very clear that we will hang together. We all know the word "scab".
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This is in today's Halifax paper:


Justice ministers want credits for remand reduced

By STEVE LAMBERT The Canadian Press
Thu. Nov 15 - 5:34 AM

WINNIPEG — Provincial justice ministers are calling for an end to the double-credit system that allows criminals to serve significantly shorter sentences if they are kept behind bars while awaiting trial.
"Certainly Ontario’s position has been that we should reduce the amount of pre-disposition credit, and there is unanimity around the provincial and territorial table that this is an issue we would like to have a good discussion about with our federal counterparts," Ontario Attorney General Chris Bentley told reporters Wednesday during a break from a meeting with justice ministers from other provinces.
"We’re saying that that provision should be tighter and should be restricted," said Manitoba Justice Minister Dave Chomiak.
The credit system is not set in stone under the Criminal Code — it’s left to the discretion of the sentencing judge. The general practice that has developed over the years sees convicts given two months’ credit for every month they spent in custody awaiting trial, in recognition of the fact that prisons offer programs and services that remand centres do not.
The end result is that someone who spends six months in custody awaiting trial and is handed a one-year sentence can be deemed to have served their time already and be released.
Bentley said there is a perception that the system encourages some people to stay in custody longer before going to trial. Chomiak said it is one reason why the number of people in jail awaiting trial has skyrocketed.
A federal report released last year found about half the inmates in provincial and territorial jails were on remand, up from 28 per cent a decade earlier.
The provincial ministers want the two-for-one credit cut back to a maximum of 1.5-to-one, with clear direction to judges that they are free to go as low as one-to-one. They will press the issue with federal Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, who is scheduled to join the meeting today.
Nicholson will face other demands from the provincial ministers, who agreed Wednesday to press Ottawa for more legal aid funding and for a quick follow-through on a throne speech promise to put 2,500 more police officers on Canadian streets.
If the new officers are divided according to each province’s population, Ontario can expect to get about 1,000 of them.
Ontario is also continuing to push the federal government for stricter limits on handguns, although it doesn’t seem to have much support.
 
I can't remember if I posted this one before. The Halifax paper published it for me in the voice of the people a couple of months back.

In response to all who want gun ban:
In 1996, Britain banned handguns. Prior to that time, 54,000 Britons owned handguns. Tha ban was so tight that even Olympic shooters had to travel to Switzerland and other european countries to practice. Four years after the ban was introduced gun crimes rose 40 percent. The UK now leads the US in violent crimes 2 to 1. Again in 1996 Australia passes severe gun restrictions, banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively. The next four years saw armed robberies rise by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings rose by an astounding 43%. Murders fell by 3% but manslaughter rose by 16%. In Sydney, handgun crime rose by 440% from 1995 to 2001, the newspaper there, The Daily Telegraph delared illegal handguns Public Enemy # 1.

Anti-gunners really should do some research before crying foul all the time.
 
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