Johnn Peterson
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Gatehouse said:
Well said.
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Well said.
As far as the "real" gun scenario goes, a lever gun in 35 remington with a 18-20 inch barrel is a perfectly acceptable and even desirable "woods" type gun for deer.
So why would anyone think a scoped TC contender with a 14" barrel chambered in 35remington is not?
There already rules provincially with regards to calibers permitted for rifle hunting. No reason why the same could not be implimented for handguns. Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure, within it's range, a 44mag may be more suitable that say a 22-250. Plenty of handgun bullets (cast and jacketed)are constructed strongly enough to provide adequate penetration on game.
IMHO, handgun season should fall somewhere between bow season and muzzleloader.
The facts are out there , game can be taken clealy with handguns. Happen all the time south of the border. Are some suggesting our American cousin's are more proficient at hunting or that we wouldn't have as much common sense as they with regards to hunting equipment selection?
It can be done. First and formost is that old bugaboo: "Handguns are bad, they must be kept locked up and out of sight."
So why would anyone think a scoped TC contender with a 14" barrel chambered in 35remington is not?
There already rules provincially with regards to calibers permitted for rifle hunting. No reason why the same could not be implimented for handguns. Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure, within it's range, a 44mag may be more suitable that say a 22-250. Plenty of handgun bullets (cast and jacketed)are constructed strongly enough to provide adequate penetration on game.
IMHO, handgun season should fall somewhere between bow season and muzzleloader.
The facts are out there , game can be taken clealy with handguns. Happen all the time south of the border. Are some suggesting our American cousin's are more proficient at hunting or that we wouldn't have as much common sense as they with regards to hunting equipment selection?
It can be done. First and formost is that old bugaboo: "Handguns are bad, they must be kept locked up and out of sight."
Yes
I would love to have handgun hunting legalized. It would fill the gap between bow and rifle hunting. Your ability for a clean kill is still dependant of getting within proper effective range of your firearm, or bow, as the case may be. There will always be someone who thinks he can take a large bull swamp donkey from 300 yds with his 6" model 29. The same problem some hunters have at shooting at 700yds with their 300 mags. Some can, most can't. The trick, as always, is practice, and understanding the limitations of the weapon you are using. I, for one, would love the chance to harvest meat with a pistol. Whether it is grouse with a .22, or deer with a suitable calibre. Bring it on!
I would love to have handgun hunting legalized. It would fill the gap between bow and rifle hunting. Your ability for a clean kill is still dependant of getting within proper effective range of your firearm, or bow, as the case may be. There will always be someone who thinks he can take a large bull swamp donkey from 300 yds with his 6" model 29. The same problem some hunters have at shooting at 700yds with their 300 mags. Some can, most can't. The trick, as always, is practice, and understanding the limitations of the weapon you are using. I, for one, would love the chance to harvest meat with a pistol. Whether it is grouse with a .22, or deer with a suitable calibre. Bring it on!
joe-nwt said:Way to stick together and support other firearms interests.
Don't throw that bull#### argument about "sticking together" at me OK. Maybe you need a hug because I don't share your opinion, ... too bad. If you are so offended by my democratic choice, then have a moderator remove options 2 and 3, and you can be happy all over again.
Well that's not legitimate at all. OR correct. The fact is it's untrue at the very beginning of the argument. The argument contains no legitimate concern. Only a justification based on erroneous information.
Whereas it IS legitimate to be concerned about wounding animals because you have an underpowered gun. It's still wrong because many such handguns ARE NOT underpowered - but it's a legitimate concern.
True - but that is why i say education is important. Address the legitimate areas of concern with the truth, and they tend to go away.
Well i think it's the last part of that sentance that would concern most hunters.
They wouldn't believe you could dispatch it quickly with any kind of regularity. And that would be a legitimate concern. So - the answer there is to educate. If you COULD do so ethically, then you must be able to show that if you want their support.
See what i mean?
The whole purpose of the argument is much more than just hunting, but being able to use a handgun wherever you could use a rifle. I would love to be able to go out on the farm and just plink away with a 22 handgun, or something a little larger for groundhogs (22 mag)
Many people thing larger game when they hear "hunting" but there is also a lot of small game that could easily be taken by a handgun.
Many people thing larger game when they hear "hunting" but there is also a lot of small game that could easily be taken by a handgun.
That is the kind of thing we really need to be asking these people. That's what i mean - education is the key.
Ahh. We just hit another little problem
If i have to give up some of my rifle season so that 'handgun enthusiasts' can have the whole province to themselves to hunt .. i'd be against it in a heart beat.
I don't mind if they want to SHARE - or perhaps turn some of the 'shotgun only' areas into 'shotgun-handgun' only, but i'm not going to lose MY rights just so someone else can do something they could have done anyway without taking my rights.
So - you're going to run into that too. A lot of guys are going to be worried that allowing it will lead to a reduction in the time THEY can spend in the field.
Foxer said:
Well some people are concerned with the fact that some hunters will make up for their poor hunting skills by throwing multiple projectiles down range.
I have heard this argument before.
Sad part is, I have run into these types of hunters!!!!!
You mean Gatehouse should not be allowed to go spear hunting
Imagine if one could ONLY hunt with handguns. NO rifles. Everyone would be saying it was unfare to handicap hunters with pistol bullets fired from short barrels. LOL, nobody is ever happy with what they have.
There is no reason to have a special season for handguns. A bullet travels farther from a rifle. Should not those opposing handgun hunting fear rifle-bullets more?
No problem hunting with handguns in the US and their hunting conditions can be very crowded depending on the state.
Canadians always see problems even when those practices are not an issue in other lands.
CCW: "Canadians would go CRAZY shooting people over a parking space!" Why? "I dunno, I just think that."
Handgun hunting: Canadians would shoot each other for sure!" Why? "I dunno, I just think that."
To anything new for Canadians that they oppose, they should just stick to the universal answer of five-year-olds, i.e. "BECAUSE."
No problem hunting with handguns in the US and their hunting conditions can be very crowded depending on the state.
Canadians always see problems even when those practices are not an issue in other lands.
CCW: "Canadians would go CRAZY shooting people over a parking space!" Why? "I dunno, I just think that."
Handgun hunting: Canadians would shoot each other for sure!" Why? "I dunno, I just think that."
To anything new for Canadians that they oppose, they should just stick to the universal answer of five-year-olds, i.e. "BECAUSE."
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Foxer said:That is the kind of thing we really need to be asking these people. That's what i mean - education is the key.
Ahh. We just hit another little problem
If i have to give up some of my rifle season so that 'handgun enthusiasts' can have the whole province to themselves to hunt .. i'd be against it in a heart beat.
I don't mind if they want to SHARE - or perhaps turn some of the 'shotgun only' areas into 'shotgun-handgun' only, but i'm not going to lose MY rights just so someone else can do something they could have done anyway without taking my rights.
So - you're going to run into that too. A lot of guys are going to be worried that allowing it will lead to a reduction in the time THEY can spend in the field.
Who said anyone had to give up any hunting season? Did the rifle hunters have to give up some of their season to bowhunters?
Last time I checked, being a CO was a full-time job. There's absolutely no reason hunting can't take place for as long as required to accomodate everyone. But others here are right, it could be incorporated into another group. Beats the hell out of me why there is a seperate season for muzzleloaders, for instance. I doubt whether any modern muzzleloader is at any kind of realistic disadvantage against a centerfire.
gitrdun said:
Ahem. WHO needs a hug??
Well ok, that's be a borderline 'legitimate' concern. Again - pretty easy to defeat with even a little education.
Gatehouse decided against doing that after testing the effectiveness of his spear on a dead bear.
See? Ethical hunter
He couldn't at that time justify it as having a reasonable chance of dispatching the bear cleanly, and therefore set the idea aside. If there comes a time when he feels confident in his ability to do so, he might well decide to give it a try.
And most hunters would respect that thinking. He wants to try a completely different way of hunting that requires entirely different skills than a gun, and is confident he can do so ethically, then more power to him.
But handgun hunting 'feels' like you're deliberately trying to make it more likley you'll get a bad hit, in order to make it more 'challenging'. You could do the same thing with a rifle and it would be pretty much the same hunt, but you're more likely to kill the animal.
This is the concern we're going to have to address - this notion some have that handgun hunting is reckless and will lead to more injured animals because it is too 'marginal' a tool to use on game. That's why no one has a problem with it for grouse - hit the grouse, kill the grouse, and there's the 'practical' side of being able to carry a grouse gun AS WELL as a deer rifle.
People have to be made to see that it's not a 'marginal' tool - within it's range it's just as effective on deer as a rifle would be.
Yes I do Gatehouse. I'd love to spend a lot more time on this, but I do have to earn a buck. Here's a primary and brief one though: can you imagine the added pressure and stress the it would cause law enforcement, cops and fish and wildlife officers alike? It just seems to me that it would open up a whole new "ugly" can of worms. Imagine now the implications of having to open handgun possession to everyone. Bottom line is, I'm not against handguns, just not in favour of seeing them out in the bush and I am also not compeled to copy cat everything the Americans do even though I read their mags.
